Payback to the Freys

[Northbound]

I know i know

oh oh oh

you think too small

you think too small......

This will not stop with the Freys...

Your post freaked me out a little bit. Don't know who is worse, you or Patchface!!!

[Theda Baratheon]

Traditionally, in ancient literature, when one breaks the guest right, it is the god's that you anger - I'd love it if little things were to happen to all the Frey's who committed the crimes, whereas I don't really get any satisfaction from Stoneheart hanging random frey's.

Hospitium was the ancient divine right of the guest and the divine duty of the host.

[WildBlood]

I like the idea of Stoneheart and Nymeria converging on the Twins, and mayhaps the Crannogmen sneak in and turn the Greatjon loose to wreak all kinds of hell. :devil:

I like this ;)

[ejhawman]

Their payback will be limited to those present at the RW, and losing the Twins. They are reduced to a basic lordly family, given some indefensible fief in the Riverlands, and get to repopulate it after the Others are rolled back. A job they should be able to handle.

[Khal Shaggydog]

Nymeria doesn't have to get involved in the slaughter - she already is involved. She has been eating Freys and Lannisters since she was chased off by Arya and started her regular wolf Khalasar. Is there any precedence we know of that involved an animal starting a pack like this? I bet even Bloodraven would be spooked by Nymeria's bloodthirsty consciousness if he tried to sneak into her brain.

[DaveSnow House Stark]

OK, I love the idea of RW 2.0, but it should not happen. Why would we root for the "good guys" to break guest rites, while we are so morally outraged that the Frey's did it? To me, RW 2.0 would be a horrible event because it reduces the "honorable" to the same level.

The Frey's and Bolton's have to pay but not at the cost of who the northeners are supposed to be.

[KirkDogg]

OK, I love the idea of RW 2.0, but it should not happen. Why would we root for the "good guys" to break guest rites, while we are so morally outraged that the Frey's did it? To me, RW 2.0 would be a horrible event because it reduces the "honorable" to the same level.

The Frey's and Bolton's have to pay but not at the cost of who the northeners are supposed to be.

I understand your moral objection, but at the same time I personally look at it as justice as opposed to pure revenge.

[KnightoftheN64]

Someone brought this up in the foreshadowing thread, and I don't have the exact quote, but to paraphrase it goes like this:

Sansa, while in KL, wakes upon the morning of battle to see clouds in the sky. She describes the clouds as two castles: she can see the walls, the barbicans, etc. etc. The castles start black in the night but with the rising sun turn grey, then warm shades of rose, gold, and crimson, and finally the two castles collapse to form one ruin of a castle.

I interpret this to be the history of the freys. The Twin castles in the sky show the Twins. The castles are initially black (no allegiance) followed by grey (stark colors) followed by crimson, gold (Lannister) and rose (Tyrell). Finally, the castles collapse into a ruin. Granted, this doesn't show HOW the twins will fall, but I think it is clear foreshadowing that our friends of Frey are in for a very untimely demise.

[Maxpey]

I'd really like to see the late lord Frey be eaten alive by his offspring, kind of a twist on the rat cook. But that's just me

To build on your thoughts, how about a scenario where the Twins are subjected to a siege and in order to prevent from starving they resort to cannibalism. Lord Walder is forced to watch as his offspring end his line by literally devouring each other.

[revenant6]

OK, I love the idea of RW 2.0, but it should not happen. Why would we root for the "good guys" to break guest rites, while we are so morally outraged that the Frey's did it? To me, RW 2.0 would be a horrible event because it reduces the "honorable" to the same level.

The Frey's and Bolton's have to pay but not at the cost of who the northeners are supposed to be.

As long as they don't offer bread and salt, isn't Frey slaughter fair game? I guess I envision them more or less "crashing the wedding" than I do them angering the gods. But I'm with you - I don't want to see them break the rules just to get revenge. It has to be done within the rules. Thus, they remain the "good guys" (read, "less bad guys")

To build on your thoughts, how about a scenario where the Twins are subjected to a siege and in order to prevent from starving they resort to cannibalism. Lord Walder is forced to watch as his offspring end his line by literally devouring each other.

That's awesome. It's really awful - but fantastic at the same time.

[Vordermark]

@Fire Eater Love the post. I only hope that a glorious ending to Walder Frey's lineage is in the cards.

[Fightbringer]

either the BwBs and/or Nymeria's wolfpack break into the twins and kill everything there. That or Jon/Stannis burn it to the ground on the way south. I hope that the slaughter is indiscriminate though, even the good ones like Olyvar or Perwyn are killed too, it would make things even more awesome/disturbing. The Rains of the Twins anybody?

[DaveSnow House Stark]

To build on your thoughts, how about a scenario where the Twins are subjected to a siege and in order to prevent from starving they resort to cannibalism. Lord Walder is forced to watch as his offspring end his line by literally devouring each other.

Ok, now that would be great! Would be a part two of Davos and Stannis conversation about the other siege. Ran out of food, ate the horses, the cats, the dogs, the bastards, the nephews, Fat Walda, well cuz she's fat...

[Lost Melnibonean]

OK, I love the idea of RW 2.0, but it should not happen. Why would we root for the "good guys" to break guest rites, while we are so morally outraged that the Frey's did it? To me, RW 2.0 would be a horrible event because it reduces the "honorable" to the same level.

The Frey's and Bolton's have to pay but not at the cost of who the northeners are supposed to be.

But as I understand the scenario the guests and the hosts would be slaughtered by what's left of the BWB with the help of the small folk.

[WinterWarrior]

My biggest disappointment in books 4 and 5 is that there was no real revenge for the RW. A few hangings here and there are nothing. The Freys need to pay, and pay big. The old late lord Frey needs to suffer and see everyone wiped out. I wonder why GRRM has not avenged the RW yet, it just does not make sense. Since it looks like it will happen in book 6 or 7 (if at all) I am hoping the Twins will be burned by dragon fire like Harrenhall was and all of the Freys destroyed. If Dany defeats the Lannisters and her forces march north....the Freys are cooked.

[Steinnis]

Lots of revenge fantasy over here...

[Boss Wyman Manderly]

I wish the doom of Valyria on the Twin Tower's of Frey. I've always had a wish Theon's sacrifice would split the continent in half like the COTF attempted to do at the neck, and failed.

[Boarsbane Baratheon]

The Freys breed like rats, there are so many of them that it's gonna be hard to kill them all, but luckily for us they've pissed off a lot of people:

- Manderly and the other members of the Great Northern Conspiracy

- Stannis

- The Brotherhood without Banners and Lady Stoneheart

- Blackfish and Edmure

- The Greatjon

- The Starks in general

- And (this is my personal belief) Littlefinger by killing Cat

Oh, yeah, welcome to the forum :cheers:

OOOOH i like that. Completely forgot that littlefinger had a thing for cat and he might not be too happy with the freys. Id love to have the vale, stannis and the north, and whats left of the riverlands converge on the twins and completely massacre them.

EDIT: That kinda fulfills the Southron Ambitions theory........................................................... these 4 joining forces..................... AHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHH. Jon youve assisted me in blowing my own mind.

[Team_Rob]

There will be a RW 2.0 at Riverrun where Lord Walder will attend Daven's wedding. Walder likes to humiliate his enemies as shown with what he did to Cat's and Robb's bodies; he will attend his brood's wedding at the castle of the Tully's that now belongs to his son.

His [Emmon Frey] hand came away red and slimy from he sourleaf. "To be sure. Riverrun is mine, and no man shall ever take it from me."

Compare that to the prophecy about the demise of the Witch-King Angmar: Far off yet is his doom, and not by the hand of man will he fall.

It won't be a man that takes Riverrun, but Lady Stoneheart.

Jaime's description of a dead Tywin: Bloody hell, he's grinning like a bridegroom at his bedding.

Daven Lannister is that kind of bridegroom.

The massacre will take place during the bedding, and Tom plays "The Wolf in the Night" which commemorated Robb's victory at the Battle of Oxcross. LS will appear when during the bedding "Wolf in the Night" is played, and the Freys and Lannisters present are killed. Walder will die screaming as LS gives him a tortuous death.

After the Red Wedding 2.0 at Riverrun where Lord Walder Frey is tortured and killed along with whatever Freys present there, a civil war will erupt in the Twins between now Lord Edwyn Frey and his brother, Black Walder. Lame Lothar Frey will manipulate things behind the scenes, he may even be behind Black Walder and Edwyn fighting each other. It will come down to one faction occupying a castle on one side of the Green Fork and the other faction occupying the castle on the other side of the Green Fork. Frey blood will be spilled at the hands of other Freys.

I'd like to thank Capon Breath for helping me find this one:

Rorge won the blood stained surcoat with its proud Lannister and Frey quarterings. The arrows had punched holes through lions & towers alike

Rorge was missing a nose like another character, Tyrion. Tyrion will give his own house a beating, and he may give the Freys their just desserts as well. He had Allar Deem thrown overboard for killing a child that Cersei ordered dead, and I think he would have the Freys suffer for the RW. He may have Dany bring her forces to the Twins. Edwyn may die by the time Dany arrives as Edwyn himself is not a puissant warrior as shown when Lord Piper challenged him to a duel, and Black Walder may be the new Lord of the Twins.

Black Harren had a bad reputation as a mean and cruel ruler of the riverlands. Black Walder has a dark reputation and has proven to be mean and cruel, such as suggesting that Jeyne Westerling be murdered so Robb would be free to marry a Frey. Cersei may name the Freys as liege lords of the riverlands after LF dies. Dany and Tyrion will come down to the Twins, and partly in an attempt to win support and partly out of a sense of justice, Dany will have her dragons roast the Twins like Aegon did Harrenhal.

Yes. Tom does tell Jaime that he knows better songs than The Rains of Castamere. I've always wanted to hear "The Wolf In The Night", but I think it will have some association with Nymeria and her pack since Arya wargs into her at night. I think Lord Walder will be torn to pieces by her pack along with a small escort on his way to the wedding giving a wink to his nickname the late (in more ways than one) Walder Frey.

After the Red Wedding 2.0 Black Walder will lift his seige of Seagard and return to The Twins and send a raven to Roose demanding the Frey host be sent to help with the crisis, only it'll be the Northmen who answer the call in Frey uniforms taken from all the Frozen Freys relieved of their clothing after The Battle of Ice. They'll willingly open the portcullis for the 'false Freys' (pun intended) and promptly get themselves routed :cool4:

[MCBC]

I think we will just see a continuation of what happened in Dance. Multiple factions that all have the same plan, destroy the Bolton/Frey power any way they can. Odds are that one will hit a big score sooner or later.....