Panos Targaryen Posted August 31, 2013 Share Posted August 31, 2013 I've noticed that in many threads where people discuss Houses that are near extinction, they mention House Arryn, due to Robert's sickly health, and the fact that Littlefinger is probably poisoning him using dreamwine. However, didn't LF mention to Sansa that House Arryn has lesser branches in the Vale. If Robert died, then logically the head of oldest branch would become the new Lord of the Vale and the Eyrie, and begin the main Arryn line again. Are members of lesser branches of noble Houses included in its line of succession, or is LF really going to become Lord of the Eyrie? Since Daven Lannister became Warden of the West, I suppose a lesser Arryn cousin could become the new head of the main Arryn line, right? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Sansa_Stark Posted August 31, 2013 Share Posted August 31, 2013 Warden is a chosen title, bit seeing as Denys could have been considered the heir, yes you are right. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Slender Aimry Hill Posted August 31, 2013 Share Posted August 31, 2013 No, Harrold Hardyng will be the new lord (and may take the Arryn name, as Petyr calling him 'The Young Falcon' implies). A dose of recent lordly blood, under whatever name, trumps cadet branches from centuries back.For example, the Stewarts of Appin https://en.wikipedia...tewart_of_Appin are cousins of the Royal Stuarts from the 11th-12th century but were never in line to inherit Scotland (let alone England).See also the proposed successors of Robb. Some Vale cousins of lordly Starks are considered, as is Jon Snow, but Harrion Karstark, or the Stark cadets in Barrowton, aren't.EDIT: Denys is a very interesting exception. I get the impression everyone liked him so much he got a free pass and sort of became Jon Arryn's nominated/adopted heir, a bit like Harold Godwinson claimed Edward the Confessor had done for him.oh and more importantly - I've just checked and he'd married a proper Arryn, he was heir in her right. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Darryk Posted August 31, 2013 Share Posted August 31, 2013 I thought Harry was heir to the Vale (the one Sansa is marrying) Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Allyria Dondarrion Posted August 31, 2013 Share Posted August 31, 2013 It is told by Littlefinger to Sansa that all the close relatives of Jon Arryn are dead, for example, his nephews died in the Rebellion. So there are no cousins, Harry Hardyng is the heir. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
The Fat Huntsmen Posted August 31, 2013 Share Posted August 31, 2013 Who is Denys? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Slender Aimry Hill Posted August 31, 2013 Share Posted August 31, 2013 Ser Denys Arryn, 'darling of the Vale', but not actually a proper Arryn Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Panos Targaryen Posted August 31, 2013 Author Share Posted August 31, 2013 No, Harrold Hardyng will be the new lord (and may take the Arryn name, as Petyr calling him 'The Young Falcon' implies). A dose of recent lordly blood, under whatever name, trumps cadet branches from centuries back.For example, the Stewarts of Appin https://en.wikipedia...tewart_of_Appin are cousins of the Royal Stuarts from the 11th-12th century but were never in line to inherit Scotland (let alone England).See also the proposed successors of Robb. Some Vale cousins of lordly Starks are considered, as is Jon Snow, but Harrion Karstark, or the Stark cadets in Barrowton, aren't.EDIT: Denys is a very interesting exception. I get the impression everyone liked him so much he got a free pass and sort of became Jon Arryn's nominated/adopted heir, a bit like Harold Godwinson claimed Edward the Confessor had done for him.oh and more importantly - I've just checked and he'd married a proper Arryn, he was heir in her right.But the Karstarks are a very old branch, and have grown distant from the Starks. What I'm talking about are recent cousins, like the Arryns of Gulltown. They're still called Arryns, so they're not as distant as the Karstarks. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Slender Aimry Hill Posted August 31, 2013 Share Posted August 31, 2013 They are pretty distant, actually (more like the cadet Starks we've been told exist in Barrowton), and, besides, 'uncouth', because they married lowborn merchants!A name isn't everything. Ser Denys's wife, for instance - Alys Arryn's daughter - wasn't herself called Arryn but had more blood and claim than he did. She had the blood and he had the 'magic name'. A perfect combination, but a doomed one... Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Darryk Posted August 31, 2013 Share Posted August 31, 2013 I read on Harry the Heir's Wiki that Jon Arryn had a brother and sister, but the brother died. The sister had a whole bunch of children but most of them were girls, and the one who was a boy died. Then one of the girls had a son, Harrold.So basically Harry is heir because everyone further up the line of succession either died or weren't male (except young Robert of course, who we can assume is not long for this world). Seems there's a bit of Henry Tudor about this kid. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Consigliere Posted August 31, 2013 Share Posted August 31, 2013 Should Robert Arryn die then house Arryn would be extinct in the male line. Harrold Hardyng is descended from the female line of House Arryn. His mother being the youngest daughter of Alys Arryn (Jon Arryns sister). Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
thelittledragonthatcould Posted August 31, 2013 Share Posted August 31, 2013 There is a Frey married to one of the Hardyng women. Maybe Steffon 'the sweet' Frey will inherit the Eyrie when Littlefinger plans got to hell :devil: Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Slender Aimry Hill Posted August 31, 2013 Share Posted August 31, 2013 you do indeed raise a valid query - who on earth is Harry the Heir's heir!? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
kaspar Posted August 31, 2013 Share Posted August 31, 2013 Should Robert Arryn die then house Arryn would be extinct in the male line. Harrold Hardyng is descended from the female line of House Arryn. His mother being the youngest daughter of Alys Arryn (Jon Arryns sister).This. To be honest I doubt Martin would let any of the large houses disappear completely. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Floris Posted August 31, 2013 Share Posted August 31, 2013 As i recall there were the Arryns from Gulltown,they are a cadet branch,but from direct male line,so i guess they must be the heirs Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Consigliere Posted August 31, 2013 Share Posted August 31, 2013 As i recall there were the Arryns from Gulltown,they are a cadet branch,but from direct male line,so i guess they must be the heirsThe cadet branch from Gulltown does not supercede Harrolds claim. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Slender Aimry Hill Posted August 31, 2013 Share Posted August 31, 2013 The Arryns of Gulltown are so looked down for their merchant blood on that pretty much anyone, a Royce, a Templeton, whatever, would probably inherit before them.Then again, it's a very interesting mark of Littlefinger as sign of the times that Lyonel Corbray is now to wed a merchant's daughter with half the Lords Declarant in attendance and no one putting up a fuss. Also, of course, that Anya Waynwood, to settle a few debts, is willing to let her crucially highborn ward marry an apparently bastard born girl.The Alayne chapters in general are a masterly pastiche of late medieval Europe (Huizinga's 'The Waning of the Middle Ages', Richard II onwards in England), with the burgesses rising and the nobility falling. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
thelittledragonthatcould Posted August 31, 2013 Share Posted August 31, 2013 you do indeed raise a valid query - who on earth is Harry the Heir's heir!?Also the Hardyng girl who is married to a Frey is a grandson from Walder Freys first wife Perra ROYCE. Potential power grab where Yohn Royce has a relative in charge of the Vale. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Victarion10 Posted August 31, 2013 Share Posted August 31, 2013 Why are people mentoioning Denys Arryn? He was killed by Jon Connington is Roberts Rebellion Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Slender Aimry Hill Posted August 31, 2013 Share Posted August 31, 2013 Because he is an interesting, complicated example of a cadet Arryn being in line for heirship to the Eyrie Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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