Pearlthegirl Posted September 16, 2013 Share Posted September 16, 2013 I think being the PtwP is way more important than a damned uncomfortable chair....to Jon and to the realm. Of course, he may be the only Kingly type left after the Otherpocalypse. That particular throne will be well north of Kings Landing then. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
assjfjgjsgjljljglgjfjsduar Posted September 16, 2013 Share Posted September 16, 2013 He is half Stark too, I see two paths there.Well yeah, that's kind of the entire point. He's ice and fire simultaneously and has to reconcile the two. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Jrogo Posted September 17, 2013 Share Posted September 17, 2013 I can't imagine him going for the Iron Throne Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Sir Tan Lee Posted September 17, 2013 Share Posted September 17, 2013 Guys hold on here. What if, what if... Jon dies, comes back as an Other and it is revealed that the Others are actually supposed to be servants of the old gods who go around punishing their enemies. So Jon raises a White army and goes south to kill all the Heretics.He kills the Boltons and the Freys for breaking guest rights. He kills Stannis for burning the Weirwoods and then he goes even further south to punish even more people who aren't on the Old god's good side. When the Others have killed all the sinners they eventually retreat back into the lands of always winter until their services are called on again.Basically what I'm saying here is that the Others are a God caused apocalypse to destroy all those who sinned against them. I don't have any evidence. I just like the idea. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Table8 Posted September 17, 2013 Share Posted September 17, 2013 Guys hold on here. What if, what if... Jon dies, comes back as an Other and it is revealed that the Others are actually supposed to be servants of the old gods who go around punishing their enemies. So Jon raises a White army and goes south to kill all the Heretics.He kills the Boltons and the Freys for breaking guest rights. He kills Stannis for burning the Weirwoods and then he goes even further south to punish even more people who aren't on the Old god's good side. When the Others have killed all the sinners they eventually retreat back into the lands of always winter until their services are called on again.Basically what I'm saying here is that the Others are a God caused apocalypse to destroy all those who sinned against them. I don't have any evidence. I just like the idea. this theory kind of makes the whole R+L=J useless, no? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
johal_565 Posted September 17, 2013 Share Posted September 17, 2013 his honourable nature doesnt just let him be in the position of deserting the wall and fight for the throne. Though, it can also be looked at as his right too, so getting what belongs to him is also sign of bravery and honour ( i believe maybe Master Aemon will give him the push) Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Sir Tan Lee Posted September 17, 2013 Share Posted September 17, 2013 this theory kind of makes the whole R+L=J useless, no?Yes and no.If R + L = J is true and my theory is true as well then maybe unJon is owed an ice dragon.If my theory isn't true and R + L = J is, then it hardly makes a difference. I can't see Jon trying to take the iron throne. I can see him as King in the north and I can see him marching to Kingslanding and killing all the Boltons, Freys, and Lannisters in the process but I can't see him staying there and ruling Westeros.If my theory is true and R + L = J isn't then it still doesn't make much of a difference. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Northbound Posted September 17, 2013 Share Posted September 17, 2013 ( i believe maybe Master Aemon will give him the push)There may be a small problem, with that part. Or are you referring to their past conversations? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Martini Sigil Posted September 17, 2013 Share Posted September 17, 2013 I think that it's impossible to predict how Jon will react psychologically/personality wise should he survive the stabbing... especially if Mel is the reason he survives. There is a distinct possibility that the innocent boy will be gone. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Rhymes with Weak Posted September 17, 2013 Share Posted September 17, 2013 There may be a small problem, with that part. Or are you referring to their past conversations?It's possible, undead things are just coming out of the woodwork. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
J. Stargaryen Posted September 17, 2013 Share Posted September 17, 2013 this theory kind of makes the whole R+L=J useless, no?I don't think so. Jon being the anti-christ would be a helluva twist on the hidden prince trope that is R+L=J. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Tyrion_is_Omar Posted September 17, 2013 Share Posted September 17, 2013 I see him accepting the crown if he ends up with no choice, not because he wants to Completly agree.I believe that one scenario could be Jon becoming a king by popular choice, not because his ambition. Something like an early form of democracy. IMHO, one of the morals of the series could be that power has to be a burden, not something that must be pursued. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
RKOpanther Posted September 17, 2013 Share Posted September 17, 2013 Guys hold on here. What if, what if... Jon dies, comes back as an Other and it is revealed that the Others are actually supposed to be servants of the old gods who go around punishing their enemies. So Jon raises a White army and goes south to kill all the Heretics.He kills the Boltons and the Freys for breaking guest rights. He kills Stannis for burning the Weirwoods and then he goes even further south to punish even more people who aren't on the Old god's good side. When the Others have killed all the sinners they eventually retreat back into the lands of always winter until their services are called on again.Basically what I'm saying here is that the Others are a God caused apocalypse to destroy all those who sinned against them. I don't have any evidence. I just like the idea.I like it too. Would explain Dany's vision of fighting dead things on the Trident and would also maybe be dance of dragons 2.0 (Dany and Aegon vs Jon). I woud be rooting for Jon all the way. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Valandui Posted September 17, 2013 Share Posted September 17, 2013 I don't think so. Jon being the anti-christ would be a helluva twist on the hidden prince trope that is R+L=J.I don't know. Dany seems to be locking that role up as of late. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
The Human Abstract Posted September 17, 2013 Share Posted September 17, 2013 George subverts fantasy tropes. So a few of the critics have pointed out, But is his tale actually ABOUT subverting fantasy tropes? Is that all it does? I hope not. That's just a new kind of predictable.What I really hope and expect is that this is just a cool story George dreamed up. Yeah, it has some new takes on fantasy tropes ... But it's also other things as well. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
J. Stargaryen Posted September 17, 2013 Share Posted September 17, 2013 I don't know. Dany seems to be locking that role up as of late.Absolutely. But there has been some groundwork laid for that twist; i.e., Jon as the bad guy. I don't think it's the most likely outcome or anything, but I wouldn't be shocked if that's how it played out. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
JPJK79 Posted September 17, 2013 Share Posted September 17, 2013 I think right now it is impossible how GRRM will finish writing out his character due to the fact after his assignation how much is he going to change. There could be a pretty good metamorphous in his character that for me is too much of gray are to actually know what or how he will react to his true lineage. I agree with the points that he thinks he is a Stark and will want to live that way but at the same there are moments where he has always strived to be greater. Telling Robb he was Lord of Winterfell and Robb shaming him saying that he could never be. Jon always seemed hurt by that. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Mountain Tribesman Posted September 17, 2013 Share Posted September 17, 2013 A lot would have to happen for Jon to seek the Iron Throne... he'd have to become convinced that he has no choice, that noboby else would be up to the task (probably in relation to the Others' invasion). Perhaps in alliance with Daenerys and Aegon... after all, the Dragon has three heads.But as I said, lots would have to happen... this is after all the man who refused Stannis' deal of Val and Winterfell even when he was almost certain all his (half-brothers/cousins) were dead. It takes a very special sort of man to say no to that. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Sir Tan Lee Posted September 17, 2013 Share Posted September 17, 2013 A lot would have to happen for Jon to seek the Iron Throne... he'd have to become convinced that he has no choice, that noboby else would be up to the task (probably in relation to the Others' invasion). Perhaps in alliance with Daenerys and Aegon... after all, the Dragon has three heads.But as I said, lots would have to happen... this is after all the man who refused Stannis' deal of Val and Winterfell even when he was almost certain all his (half-brothers/cousins) were dead. It takes a very special sort of man to say no to that.You have to remember that the offer is coming from Stannis and if he agreed then he'd have to burn down the heart tree. When it comes to something like this it really does matter whose offering it. If its a birth right then its kind of logical you would take it if you had the chance. If Robb was offering him Winterfell he probably wouldn't hesitate but its not Robb or Eddard. Its Stannis making the offer so Jon probably feels that its not his to offer in the first place thus accepting it would be oath breaking and cheap.Although you are right I don't think Jon would try for the Iron throne even if it is his birth right. He'd need a more important reason to start a campaign for the throne. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Pikachu101 Posted September 17, 2013 Share Posted September 17, 2013 I don't think "wanting" comes into it. He is one, whether he wants to be or not.Doesn't mean he needs to go around telling people. I honestly don't see why Jon shouldn't keep his mouth shut; there's already two Targs and a dozen contenders for the IT Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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