ShellySandSnake Posted September 1, 2014 Share Posted September 1, 2014 I just finished re-reading Feast for Crows and was left with a few questions. Was Pate killed? Who took over his identity? Who took the key to the Citadel and why? Why does Sam describe him as pale? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Good Guy Garlan Posted September 1, 2014 Share Posted September 1, 2014 Was Pate killed? Yes, with a poisoned coin Who took over his identity? The Faceless Man formerly known as Jaqen H'gar Who took the key to the Citadel and why? That same Faceless Man. The why is still uncertain, but a common theory is that Euron Greyjoy hired him Why does Sam describe him as pale? Maybe because Pate was pale, I guess Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
ShellySandSnake Posted September 1, 2014 Author Share Posted September 1, 2014 So you are saying Jaquen H'gar is now Pate. Why? Obviously whoever did it wants to get into the Citadel as Pate, but why Jaquen? It seems unlike the character Arya grew to know. I just don't see that. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Good Guy Garlan Posted September 1, 2014 Share Posted September 1, 2014 So you are saying Jaquen H'gar is now Pate. Why? Obviously whoever did it wants to get into the Citadel as Pate, but why Jaquen? It seems unlike the character Arya grew to know. I just don't see that. Like I said, the way is still uncertain but it's definetely the same guy. The descriptions of Jaqen's new face at the end of aCoK and the Alchemist are exactly alike Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Visenya Stark Posted September 1, 2014 Share Posted September 1, 2014 No one really knows for sure why he wants to get into the Citadel. But he might be trying to get to the book The Death of Dragons which is hidden somewhere in the Citadel. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Lopsang Posted September 1, 2014 Share Posted September 1, 2014 I think it will be revealed early in TWoW. It must have some importance to the story, and personally I think it will have some large role in determining the ending of ASoIaF. It would be really cool if that part of the plotline was elaborated on more - the premise is really interesting. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Trogdor Targaryen Posted September 1, 2014 Share Posted September 1, 2014 Can we be certain that this Faceless Man isn't another member wearing the same face as the one we saw Jagen change into? I know it is unlikely, but I saw the word definitely used, and definitely, in my mind, means definitely wrong. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Minstral Posted September 1, 2014 Share Posted September 1, 2014 Can we be certain that this Faceless Man isn't another member wearing the same face as the one we saw Jagen change into? I know it is unlikely, but I saw the word definitely used, and definitely, in my mind, means definitely wrong. Other then the word of God GRRM, no we cannot be 100% certain. However, we can recognize just how much evidence is stacked in favor of the Faceless man that Arya set free is the same as the one in Oldtown. I just finished re-reading Feast for Crows and was left with a few questions. Was Pate killed? Who took over his identity? Who took the key to the Citadel and why? Why does Sam describe him as pale? What does the crow say? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
The Second To Last Dragon Posted September 1, 2014 Share Posted September 1, 2014 no, its all speculation at this point.one things for certain, samwell isn't going to die. that asshole could survive a nuclear winter. although he'd whine and cry the entire time, while braver souls than him drop like flies. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Mithras Posted September 1, 2014 Share Posted September 1, 2014 As tze pointed before, the key was already said to be missing even before Pate was killed. So, it is unlikely that Jaqen obtained the key right after killing Pate. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Hos the Hostage Posted September 1, 2014 Share Posted September 1, 2014 Jaqen needed the key and an identity to get inside the citadel. So he killed Pate. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Johnnyrocket Posted September 1, 2014 Share Posted September 1, 2014 I expected that cliffhanger to be brought up early in WoW as well. It took me a few times of reading it to figure out what the hell even happened, but obviously something of important value is in the Citadel. I know they talked of the dragonglass candles, and ancient books that are in there. Maybe the FM needed to get near a maester to kill and assume their identity Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
White Ravens Posted September 1, 2014 Share Posted September 1, 2014 Much of the discussion so far in this thread is concerned with what Jaqen/Pate is trying to steal from the Citadel, but to my understanding the Faceless men are strictly assassins. Pate is biding his time to kill someone, possibly a high ranking Maester. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
White Ravens Posted September 1, 2014 Share Posted September 1, 2014 no, its all speculation at this point.one things for certain, samwell isn't going to die. that asshole could survive a nuclear winter. although he'd whine and cry the entire time, while braver souls than him drop like flies. That "asshole" is one of the bravest characters in all of Westeros. "Can a man still be brave if he's afraid?" – Bran Stark "That is the only time a man can be brave." – Eddard Stark Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Fai Posted September 1, 2014 Share Posted September 1, 2014 The facelessmen are most likely researching into methods for killing dragons. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
The Second To Last Dragon Posted September 2, 2014 Share Posted September 2, 2014 That "asshole" is one of the bravest characters in all of Westeros. "Can a man still be brave if he's afraid?" Bran Stark "That is the only time a man can be brave." Eddard Stark"im sam the scared, not sam the slayer"-samwell tarly (aFFC pg118)the only thing he could do was cry, and when he cried tears froze on his cheeks-samwell tarly (SoS p238)"are you still a craven? ""no, lied sam"-samwell tarly (AFFC p972)we good here? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Sword of Nightfall Posted September 2, 2014 Share Posted September 2, 2014 one things for certain, samwell isn't going to die. that asshole could survive a nuclear winter. although he'd whine and cry the entire time, while braver souls than him drop like flies. :bowdown: Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
aryagonnakill#2 Posted September 2, 2014 Share Posted September 2, 2014 "im sam the scared, not sam the slayer"-samwell tarly (aFFC pg118)the only thing he could do was cry, and when he cried tears froze on his cheeks-samwell tarly (SoS p238)"are you still a craven? ""no, lied sam"-samwell tarly (AFFC p972)we good here?If by good you mean have you proven your complete lack of understanding of the meaning of the word brave and Sams actions in the book, then yes. Now back to the topic. As tze pointed before, the key was already said to be missing even before Pate was killed. So, it is unlikely that Jaqen obtained the key right after killing Pate.I'm not sure what your talking about here, Pate traded Jaqen the key for a gold dragon. Much of the discussion so far in this thread is concerned with what Jaqen/Pate is trying to steal from the Citadel, but to my understanding the Faceless men are strictly assassins. Pate is biding his time to kill someone, possibly a high ranking Maester.But Jaqen chose to cozy up to Archmaester Marwyn, who is now gone. If he intended on replacing Marwyn to get at yet another Archmaester in an even more roundabout way, then he has missed his chance, something I doubt the FM do often. If however he is there on an info gathering mission, then using the "down time" on his mission to find out info from Marwyn/ what Marwyn is up to/ the glass candles, makes perfect sense. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
The Kinkslayer Posted September 2, 2014 Share Posted September 2, 2014 Affc has more questions than answers, for example why Lazy Leo had no money? Can Marwyn warg into a mastiff? Are the acolytes using the glass candles for voyeurism? Is the sphinx the princess who was promised? Did Maester Cressen ever pass his poisons examination? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Mithras Posted September 2, 2014 Share Posted September 2, 2014 Jaqen needed the key and an identity to get inside the citadel. So he killed Pate. I'm not sure what your talking about here, Pate traded Jaqen the key for a gold dragon. what tze said I agree with tze that the key Jaqen got from Pate was the wrong key and the real key was stolen long time ago. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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