WeirWolfWeirCastle Posted October 29, 2014 Share Posted October 29, 2014 I think he is alive, but his POV won't pick up well into TWOW, and/or his first chapter will be titled "Ghost". Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Alien Frontier Posted October 29, 2014 Share Posted October 29, 2014 I'd like to see him get wighted/othered. . . though the more obvious scenario is he wargs into ghost or is revived by Melisandra. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Sebastian Görick Posted October 29, 2014 Share Posted October 29, 2014 Maybe melisandre will bring him back. Like thoros did it with dondarrion i know my english is bad... Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
~~~~~~~~~~~~~ Posted October 29, 2014 Share Posted October 29, 2014 Just so. If your author gives you a strong hint that something ain't so, then it would be prudent to assume that it ain't so. Severe blood loss does equal death many, many times. Even in these times when blood is readily available to replace. Back then, not so much. I don't think Jon is dead, I think he either warged into Ghost and Melisandre will bring him back or his king's blood will save him with her help. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
titanx5 Posted October 29, 2014 Share Posted October 29, 2014 I just feel that if he comes back from death it just cheapens death. So either make him dead or badly hurt (however he recovers), or he stays in Ghosts body. But for him to come back from death then we know that Jon is a character that is completely safe from getting killed in the series. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
The Santa of House Claus Posted October 29, 2014 Share Posted October 29, 2014 I just feel that if he comes back from death it just cheapens death. So either make him dead or badly hurt (however he recovers), or he stays in Ghosts body. But for him to come back from death then we know that Jon is a character that is completely safe from getting killed in the series. I agree, I do not want this world to turn into the Marvel one where a major character dies, then comes back. i would much rather just have Jon be wounded and recover. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
rayarts Posted October 29, 2014 Share Posted October 29, 2014 I'm willing to bet some money that Jon is not dead-dead. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Alejandro Gaydou Posted October 29, 2014 Share Posted October 29, 2014 I'm sorry, but it is no coincidence that the prologue chapter is about a skinchanger who has lived many lives and I think that it is completely possible that Jon will come back in some way, shape, form even if this body of his dies. Either way, outside of the prologues, I don't remember any POV character dying other than Cat... and she didn't stay "dead dead", and GRRM questions his deadness. Too many possibilities for Jon to survive. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
WhiteOwl18 Posted October 29, 2014 Share Posted October 29, 2014 I agree that he's dead. But I don't think he will stay dead. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
sj4iy Posted October 29, 2014 Share Posted October 29, 2014 I just feel that if he comes back from death it just cheapens death. So either make him dead or badly hurt (however he recovers), or he stays in Ghosts body. But for him to come back from death then we know that Jon is a character that is completely safe from getting killed in the series. He's not 'completely safe'- he could easily die after his story arc is done. The problem is that, right now, his story arc isn't done. So he can't die yet. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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lady jellybean Posted October 29, 2014 Share Posted October 29, 2014 my son believes Mel poisioned jon which explains his falling and his strange reaction. He thinks that she did it cuz she foresaw the attack and is planning on "scarficing" jon to help stannis win his battle. That is why all she sees is Snow. And jon does have the blood of kings and first men kings at that. And he still keeps to the old gods which is like a triple whammy.But he also thinks that jeyne poole is the "arya" they find frozen. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
sj4iy Posted October 29, 2014 Share Posted October 29, 2014 my son believes Mel poisioned jon which explains his falling and his strange reaction. I think his burned fingers were just stiff and clumsy- which is something he has worried about before. With the shock of the attack, he's just not prepared to defend himself. He thinks that she did it cuz she foresaw the attack and is planning on "scarficing" jon to help stannis win his battle. That is why all she sees is Snow. ...I don't see that at all. She doesn't know Jon is the son of kings, there's no reason for her to 'sacrifice' him. And jon does have the blood of kings and first men kings at that. And he still keeps to the old gods which is like a triple whammy. Yet again, she doesn't KNOW that. But he also thinks that jeyne poole is the "arya" they find frozen. Jeyne doesn't have Needle, though, which is what Jon jokes that Arya will be found frozen holding. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
A True Kaniggit Posted October 29, 2014 Share Posted October 29, 2014 Jon is in a superposition of states in which he is both alive and dead. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
sj4iy Posted October 29, 2014 Share Posted October 29, 2014 Jon is in a superposition of states in which he is both alive and dead. Actually, no. He's definitely still living when we last see him. Dead men don't feel cold. DYING men might feel cold, but not dead men. Jon is most definitely alive if he can still feel anything. Now, the next book may start off with the words "And then Jon died", and THEN he would be dead. But he's alive (even if it's just clinging to life) when we last see him in the books. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Noelle Snow Posted October 29, 2014 Share Posted October 29, 2014 He's dead today. But is he dead tomorrow? "There's a big difference between mostly dead and all dead." Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
TeethGrinder Posted October 29, 2014 Share Posted October 29, 2014 Yeah, the attack sounds brutal. It's not like he's getting a fucking blood transfusion anytime soon. It would be unrealistic for him to live without some magic from Mel - Which doesn't necessarily mean bringing him back to life, she might "save" him with magic. Albeit at some sort of cost - Likely buying into what she sees him to be and accepting his role. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
sj4iy Posted October 29, 2014 Share Posted October 29, 2014 Yeah, the attack sounds brutal. It's not like he's getting a fucking blood transfusion anytime soon. It would be unrealistic for him to live without some magic from Mel - Which doesn't necessarily mean bringing him back to life, she might "save" him with magic. Albeit at some sort of cost - Likely buying into what she sees him to be and accepting his role. I dislike this idea. I think, if Jon is to 'come back', then it should be by a magic of his own making- unexplained and miraculous, like Dany did with the dragons. If he is going to die and come back, it shouldn't be through anyone else's hand (especially Melisandre's). If Melisandre resurrects him, it will be no different than Thoros resurrecting Beric- and that was certainly no blessing. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Northbound3.0 Posted October 29, 2014 Share Posted October 29, 2014 "Why does Jon fall to his knees after getting punched in.....snip...I fully understand the premise of the video, in correlation with OP; but damn... it was still weird. I suppose the fault lies with myself; in the sense of still being shocked/surprised, by what people put on YouTube. :-) Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Direwolves FTW Posted October 29, 2014 Share Posted October 29, 2014 After revisiting this: (thanks to Northbound 3.0 and Firespider for replying to my earlier post), it seems like there are three main options for how Jon's story plays out here. 1. Melisandre tries Shireen's blood to bring Jon back, doesn't work and Jon is brought back via his own blood, therefore revealing his parentage and now Melisandre hails him as AAR/whatever.2. Melisandre tries Shireen's blood to bring Jon back, doesn't work and he wargs into Ghost. 3. CURVEBALL someone else brings him back somehow. But he definitely doesn't just DIE and is gone forever a la Robb. He has a role to play in all of what happens next, even if that is from a direwolf body... Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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