mystickristoff Posted May 24, 2015 Share Posted May 24, 2015 House Lannister has no VS ancestral sword since theirs got lost in Valyria. Tywin attempted to buy a replacement from lesser, poorer houses but was always rebuffed. Why didn't he just take it by force or something or have it secretly stolen? He seems brutal enough and poorer lesser houses wouldn't be a threat. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
hodorisfaclessman Posted May 24, 2015 Share Posted May 24, 2015 His house name is everything to him so theft is out , im prrety sure had any enemy house with a sword given him even the slightest decent reason hed have rains of castermered them and taken their sword....there dont seem to be any in the westerlands that i know of is his problem. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
mystickristoff Posted May 24, 2015 Author Share Posted May 24, 2015 House Reyne didn't have a VS sword then, I assume. I mean if Tywin offered to buy VS swords from lesser poorer houses, couldn't he just threaten them so they would give it up instead? The guy's brutal. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Alex Storm Posted May 24, 2015 Share Posted May 24, 2015 I think if a westerlands house had one he probably would take it by force but he would be interrupting the kings peace by trying to take it from a house from a different kingdom. Not to mention creating even more enemies and pissing off that lord paramount. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
King17 Posted May 24, 2015 Share Posted May 24, 2015 Plus if he took it from a lesser house the house controlling the lesser house would demand it back or go to war Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
thelittledragonthatcould Posted May 24, 2015 Share Posted May 24, 2015 People tend to exaggerate Tywins brutality. For 20 years he was Hand of the King, he got that position from Aerys because of what he did to the Reynes and Castameres. Yet with all that power he never bullied a weaker House in the Westerlands or Westeros in giving up their Valyrian sword. He was perfectly fine with Lords who kept the peace. Tyrants take what they want, despite the similarity in names Tywin was no Tyrant. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Raving Stark the Mad Posted May 24, 2015 Share Posted May 24, 2015 Even Tywin isn't bad enough to start a war just because he wants something. It would be undisciplined and wasteful to him. It would also make him lose what little loyalty he had from his bannermen that he developed by fear. Tywin understands justice as something that he needs to cultivate in order to hold power. So he can't just start a war to get a sword. If they rebel, it gives him the excuse, but none of the rebels had a VS sword. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
SwordOfAroundTeatime Posted May 24, 2015 Share Posted May 24, 2015 Because going to war with any house in the 7K, even a lesser house, is breaking the peace and would immediately make everyone else hate him. You can't just declare war on another house without a solid reason. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
mystickristoff Posted May 24, 2015 Author Share Posted May 24, 2015 Another question comes to mind... why did Tywin even bother giving a VS sword to Joffrey when house Lannister always wanted a VS sword. He made Jaime keep a VS sword but I think it was only because Jaime was the "golden child" of his offspring. Also, he doesn't have to declare war. Some influential threats like what Baelish does should do the trick. Who would want to mess with House Lannister if you're a lesser house? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
EastTymor Posted May 24, 2015 Share Posted May 24, 2015 House Lannister has no VS ancestral sword since theirs got lost in Valyria. Tywin attempted to buy a replacement from lesser, poorer houses but was always rebuffed. Why didn't he just take it by force or something or have it secretly stolen? He seems brutal enough and poorer lesser houses wouldn't be a threat. He did. That's why the Starks no longer have ice. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Trigger Warning Posted May 24, 2015 Share Posted May 24, 2015 It's just a bit of fluff to buff the in world value of Valryian swords by stating a man as powerful as Tywin tried to acquire one and couldn't. Personally I find it a stretch to think some lesser house wouldn't part with a sword for the actual power and prestige that comes with wealth and Lannister backing so I don't read too far into it to be honest, then again there's always the idea that old Tywin might not want to start a war that could snowball over a sword or make House Lannister look petty for doing so. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Raving Stark the Mad Posted May 24, 2015 Share Posted May 24, 2015 why did Tywin even bother giving a VS sword to Joffrey when house Lannister always wanted a VS sword. He made Jaime keep a VS sword but I think it was only because Jaime was the "golden child" of his offspring. Also, he doesn't have to declare war. Some influential threats like what Baelish does should do the trick. Who would want to mess with House Lannister if you're a lesser house? 1. He DID give them to House Lannister. HE considers Jaime and Joffrey to be the oldest males of his line and his heirs, because he doesn't consider Tyrion to be a "true" Lannister. Not that he isn't from his loins, though he would love that to be true, but that he's ugly and short and has his and his father's "weakness" with women (unless Shae was a plant). 2. Threatening war would be just the same as declaring a war. All his bannerman has to do is tell Tywin to fuck off. If Tywin starts a war, everybody in the 7 Kingdoms will know that Tywin is a thief and not to be trusted as a Lord. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Balerion the kitten Posted May 24, 2015 Share Posted May 24, 2015 Because it could never work.Robert may have been a pushover when it came to the lannisters but that's just crossing the line. He would be told to give it back and then Tywin will have to face the embarrassment of giving back a stolen good. And if he refused, kept it and fought for it he would become a laughing stock. Just because of how childish that sounds, imagine that Tywin saying to the king "finders keepers it's mine" Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
thelittledragonthatcould Posted May 24, 2015 Share Posted May 24, 2015 Because it could never work.Robert may have been a pushover when it came to the lannisters but that's just crossing the line. He would be told to give it back and then Tywin will have to face the embarrassment of giving back a stolen good. And if he refused, kept it and fought for it he would become a laughing stock. Just because of how childish that sounds, imagine that Tywin saying to the king "finders keepers it's mine" Tywin was Hand for 20 years before Robert got the Kingdom and Aerys wouldn't have given a shit if Tywin bullied some small House into giving up their prized sword. Tywin simply wasn't a Tyrant, he didn't feel the need to bully another House out of their Valyrian sword. He could have done, even with Houses in the Westerlands. He just didn't. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Humble Maester Posted May 24, 2015 Share Posted May 24, 2015 Quite obviously because stealing is bad, right? Honestly a better question is, why would anyone think it is in Tywin's character to go around stealing swords from his vassals? What kind of Tywin are you people reading about in the books? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Balerion the kitten Posted May 24, 2015 Share Posted May 24, 2015 Tywin was Hand for 20 years before Robert got the Kingdom and Aerys wouldn't have given a shit if Tywin bullied some small House into giving up their prized sword. Tywin simply wasn't a Tyrant, he didn't feel the need to bully another House out of their Valyrian sword. He could have done, even with Houses in the Westerlands. He just didn't.I suppose it depends on when tywin hypothetically stole this VS sword. Cause during the last bit of Aerys reign Aerys grabbed at any chance he could to embarrass him. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
thelittledragonthatcould Posted May 24, 2015 Share Posted May 24, 2015 I suppose it depends on when tywin hypothetically stole this VS sword. Cause during the last bit of Aerys reign Aerys grabbed at any chance he could to embarrass him. I guess its easier for some people to see in black and white. Tywin has done some villainous things so automatically everything he does must be evil and the only time he is not doing evil is because he was scared of what Aerys and Robert would do to him. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
The Onion Kniggit Posted May 24, 2015 Share Posted May 24, 2015 1. He DID give them to House Lannister. HE considers Jaime and Joffrey to be the oldest males of his line and his heirs, because he doesn't consider Tyrion to be a "true" Lannister. Not that he isn't from his loins, though he would love that to be true, but that he's ugly and short and has his and his father's "weakness" with women (unless Shae was a plant). Jaime sure, but Joffrey is a "Baratheon" so Tywin pretty much gave a VS sword to House Baratheon. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
thelittledragonthatcould Posted May 24, 2015 Share Posted May 24, 2015 Jaime sure, but Joffrey is a "Baratheon" so Tywin pretty much gave a VS sword to House Baratheon. He is still his grandson and it would be a longlasting gift. Imagine events had gone differently and in a 100 years time the great grandson of Jofrrey, King whatever, would be reminded of his cousins the Lannisters by his valyrian sword. Plus he gave the longsword to Jaime, while Joffrey got the smaller sword. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
The Wolves Posted May 24, 2015 Share Posted May 24, 2015 Jaime sure, but Joffrey is a "Baratheon" so Tywin pretty much gave a VS sword to House Baratheon. And Jaime gave the sword to Brienne who in turn got it taken from her by Catelyn AKA Stoneheart lol. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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