Wow, you guys are really determined to flame the hell out of me for suggesting the show is being more 'graphic' than the subtle nature of the books and how each of the points listed were definitely explicit in the books. This is so ridiculous. Are you really deluding yourselves into thinking the two examples (book writing vs. show scenes) are anything the same??
Ok, my last attempt, again, to clarify for you (three of you who keep arguing this mostly minor point):
Um, Melisandre gave birth to Stannis' shadow child. Where do you think babies come from?
Yes, you're right. It's implied the 'shadow baby' Melisandre gives birth to is a result of sex with Stannis and a whole lot of creepy magic too. You know, someone with dark powers like that could possibly
make a creature come out of her vagina that expands into a full grown demon without sperm and an egg, right? I mean, are we really talking biology here in such a bizarre fantasy concept? She didn't even gestate with this thing, she just appeared pregnant one night and Davos rowed her out to the cave where she births a demon in minutes that grows and vanishes into the castle... not very realistic but pretty creepy. It's not a 'baby' - ugh!
Also, when she was talking with John Snow, she mentioned she couldn't take anymore of Stannis' life force, but would transfer her attentions to John - which would give him imaginable pleasure.
It was also stated pretty explicitly that it was Melisandre who shared Stannis' bed, and not Queen Selyse. So, to be honest, I'm not sure what you're saying is not explicit in the books.
Again, two more examples in the book which imply sex with Stannis but does not describe any sex scene. It's left to the imagination of the reader to guess. I'm not DENYING Martin was writing about them having sex, I'm denying there was outright 'explicit' example as others keep trying to defend. It's not explicit, its implied. There's a huge difference when writing. A difference they chose not to go with in the television series.
Translation to the show: a bit of kissing in a scene which speaks exactly to the issues as expressed in the book does not equal the ickiness of Ros' screeching recipient of a finger bang in a scene which in essence completely changes the character of Littlefinger. (Who believes he would disclose all that information to anyone, much less whores who could be spies?)
Way to take the scenes out of context by comparison! Once again - where were you as well as that other guy in season 1 when Loras gave Renly a blowjob? That isn't comparable at all to Ros finger banging a whore in another scene??
I'm sorry you all disagree with me so strenuously but come on, this is silly. The argument is whether or not its explicitly detailed in the books that Renly was having a sexual relationship with Loras Tyrell. It's just not. It's hinted, implied, and left to the imagination of the reader to what extent their 'friendship' extends behind closed doors. Did I believe Renly was gay in the books? Yes, I was pretty sure he might be, but it really didn't matter to me in the greater picture other than wondering if Margaery was in fact still a virgin since if she was, it would support a gay theory better.
On the other hand - in the series, we are bashed over the head with YES - graphic scenes of sex. Loras and Renly, in season one, have a homosexual sex scene. You don't think that was graphic? It wasn't just kissing, my god why do you people keep trying to say these scenes in the series are no big deal because we all KNEW it from the books. It's laughable.
Edited by Envie, 16 April 2012 - 06:58 PM.