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“Born amidst salt and smoke” Prophecy has been fulfilled.


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#1 The Doctor's Consort

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Posted 20 March 2013 - 04:16 PM

I don’t believe it but since I have heard that Dany is AA because she was born in Dragonstone… So, Jon has already fulfilled the AA prophesy.
When the red star bleeds-> Arthur The Sword of the Morning dying outside of ToJ of exsanguination or bleeding
be born again amidst smoke -> Smoke from the boiled water that was used for sterilize their equipment during the labor
and salt.-> Lyanna's tears

So, what do you think?

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Posted 20 March 2013 - 04:18 PM

Since when did boiled water smoke? /bs.gif' class='bbc_emoticon' alt=':bs:' />

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Posted 20 March 2013 - 04:20 PM

There's also the bleeding star - the dead Ser Patrek's sigil was a star, smoke- his stab wound smoked, and salt - Bowen Marsh's tears. So that's Jon's two lots of everything to Dany's one, although Jon hasn't woken any dragons from stone.
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Since when did boiled water smoke? /bs.gif' class='bbc_emoticon' alt=':bs:' />

This is also a problem. Still, Jon still has one smoking thing in his favour.

Edited by Stannis Eats No Peaches, 20 March 2013 - 04:22 PM.


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Posted 20 March 2013 - 04:21 PM

Since when did boiled water smoke? /bs.gif' class='bbc_emoticon' alt=':bs:' />

Boiling waters creates water vapors. Am I wrong?

There's also the bleeding star - the dead Ser Patrek's sigil was a star, smoke- his stab wound smoked, and salt - Bowen Marsh's tears. So that's Jon's two lots of everything to Dany's one, although Jon hasn't woken any dragons from stone.

/agree.gif' class='bbc_emoticon' alt=':agree:' /> I agree he has too many of those signs... He hasn't woken them yet.

Edited by Jon's Queen Consort, 20 March 2013 - 04:22 PM.


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Posted 20 March 2013 - 04:23 PM

I do agree that Jon is AAR, but I believe the "moment" came when Jon was being stabbed. With Ser Patrek being killed, as his sigil has stars on (when stars bleed), his smoking wounds (which supports R+L=J) and Bowen Marsh's tears supplying the salt. And that when he's resurrected he'll actually be AAR.
But that's an interesting theory you got there and might be an alternate way of for filling the prophecy

Edited by King of the Starks, 20 March 2013 - 04:24 PM.


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Posted 20 March 2013 - 04:24 PM

Boiling waters creates water vapors. Am I wrong?

Would a prophecy differentiate between steam and smoke? /dunno.gif' class='bbc_emoticon' alt=':dunno:' />

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Posted 20 March 2013 - 04:25 PM

It seems like there was salt and smoke around for Dany and Jon's births, some ppl think it is referring to when Dany Dragons were born and the red comet. there was smoke from the fire and salt from MMD tears. I don't know what to think it could go so many ways. I am sure the mothers were both crying during labor, and Dany was born at dragonstone where there is salt water. i mean the prophecy is just a little too vague to tell either way for sure.

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Posted 20 March 2013 - 04:27 PM

I do agree that Jon is AAR, but I believe the "moment" came when Jon was being stabbed. With Ser Patrek being killed, as his sigil has stars on (when stars bleed), his smoking wounds (which supports R+L=J) and Bowen Marsh's tears supplying the salt. And that when he's resurrected he'll actually be AAR.
But that's an interesting theory you got there and might be an alternate way of for filling the prophecy

Yes I believe that the prophecy is mainly fulfilled in Dance

Would a prophecy differentiate between steam and smoke? /dunno.gif' class='bbc_emoticon' alt=':dunno:' />

No idea don't think it tho.

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Posted 20 March 2013 - 04:27 PM

Would a prophecy differentiate between steam and smoke? /dunno.gif' class='bbc_emoticon' alt=':dunno:' />

If there's a lot of steam then it could look like smoke?

Edited by King of the Starks, 20 March 2013 - 04:28 PM.


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Posted 20 March 2013 - 04:27 PM

Errrrm, water vapour is NOT the same as smoke. Boiled water = steam, not smoke.

There's also the bleeding star - the dead Ser Patrek's sigil was a star, smoke- his stab wound smoked, and salt - Bowen Marsh's tears. So that's Jon's two lots of everything to Dany's one, although Jon hasn't woken any dragons from stone.


Dany walked into a smoking funeral pyre while a red star bled and woke dragons from stone. She then wielded her Lightbringer (Drogon) for the first time amidst salt (tears from the sand) and smoke (his wound) at Daznak's Pit.

So that's Dany's three lots of everything to Jon's two.

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Posted 20 March 2013 - 04:32 PM

Errrrm, water vapour is NOT the same as smoke. Boiled water = steam, not smoke.



Dany walked into a smoking funeral pyre while a red star bled and woke dragons from stone. She then wielded her Lightbringer (Drogon) for the first time amidst salt (tears from the sand) and smoke (his wound) at Daznak's Pit.

So that's Dany's three lots of everything to Jon's two.

That's two...
Good catch a bout Drogon's wounds and her tears from the sand though, I hadn't thought of those.

I think that one of the biggest factors against Dany being AAR is that Aemon told us that she was. Also, the pyre was much less subtle than Jon's stabbing. I'm having déjŕ vu...haven't we had this discussion before quite recently?

Edited by Stannis Eats No Peaches, 20 March 2013 - 04:32 PM.


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Posted 20 March 2013 - 04:33 PM

To quote Lord Renly:
Is he a ham?

Besides boiling water and Jon's wounds produce steam, not smoke /smile.png' class='bbc_emoticon' alt=':)' />

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Posted 20 March 2013 - 04:34 PM

That's two...
Good catch a bout Drogon's wounds and her tears from the sand though, I hadn't thought of those.


I thought it was obvious that the third one was her actual birth on Dragonstone, the smoking island in the salt sea, considering the OP mentioned it.

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Posted 20 March 2013 - 04:35 PM

That's two...
Good catch a bout Drogon's wounds and her tears from the sand though, I hadn't thought of those.

I think that one of the biggest factors against Dany being AAR is that Aemon told us that she was. Also, the pyre was much less subtle than Jon's stabbing. I'm having déjà vu...haven't we had this discussion before quite recently?

I'm not against you when you say that Dany isn't AAR, but why would Aemon saying it not make it true?

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Posted 20 March 2013 - 04:38 PM

To quote Lord Renly:
Is he a ham?

Besides boiling water and Jon's wounds produce steam, not smoke /smile.png' class='bbc_emoticon' alt=':)' />

"Jon fell to his knees. He found the dagger's hilt and wrenched it free. In the cold night air the wound was SMOKING"

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Posted 20 March 2013 - 04:38 PM

I thought it was obvious that the third one was her actual birth on Dragonstone, the smoking island in the salt sea, considering the OP mentioned it.

Whoops my bad.

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Posted 20 March 2013 - 04:39 PM

"Jon fell to his knees. He found the dagger's hilt and wrenched it free. In the cold night air the wound was SMOKING"

No matter what literary narrative is used, it was still steam /smile.png' class='bbc_emoticon' alt=':)' />

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Posted 20 March 2013 - 04:40 PM

I don’t believe it but since I have heard that Dany is AA because she was born in Dragonstone… So, Jon has already fulfilled the AA prophesy.
When the red star bleeds-> Arthur The Sword of the Morning dying outside of ToJ of exsanguination or bleeding
be born again amidst smoke -> Smoke from the boiled water that was used for sterilize their equipment during the labor
and salt.-> Lyanna's tears

So, what do you think?


I like the red star bleeds being The Sword of the Morning, but everything else seems. . .stretchy.

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Posted 20 March 2013 - 04:44 PM

I'm not against you when you say that Dany isn't AAR, but why would Aemon saying it not make it true?

It's difficult to explain. Aemon handed us the answer with still two books (at least) to go and coupled with how not subtle the pyre was, it's basically what we're meant to be thinking. Therefore, the surprise will be that it's not actually Dany, but Jon. It's a bit like Aegon's situation: "Here is Aegon VI!" Then it turns out that he's a Blackfyre, or just some randomness guy with a Valyrian appearance. If we're are told something big with so much story left, it's probably not true.
That was a messy explanation, sorry.

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Posted 20 March 2013 - 04:45 PM

No matter what literary narrative is used, it was still steam /smile.png' class='bbc_emoticon' alt=':)' />

Does blood steam in the cold?

Edited by Stannis Eats No Peaches, 20 March 2013 - 04:45 PM.