jons nissa Posted July 8, 2013 Share Posted July 8, 2013 I like Cat being a monster with no discernible moral code, those are very much lacking from the series. She's just straight up killing people with the last name Frey. Besides, she may have Cat's body but LS is in no way the Catelyn from the books. GRRM says as much.She would have murdered Pod if not for Brienne, obviously not Cat. And yes, she is straight up murdering people, Frey or not.save your energy. they will not understand. it avenges the noble starks and everything is therefore justified. no matter what. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
James Sucellus Posted July 8, 2013 Share Posted July 8, 2013 The BWB isn't commiting genocide. They're hanging people who were involved in the Red Wedding or who were found to have committed war crimes against the smallfolk after having given them a trial because the lawful authorities conspired in the massacre and so are not going to bring them to justice.How is hanging Pod Payne justice? How is hanging Brienne justice? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Neilos Posted July 8, 2013 Share Posted July 8, 2013 I must say, I never took away that UnCat was "monstrous" or "evil". To me, Stoneheart represents 1) the utter tragedy of the end of her life, and 2) a terrible (and richly deserved) reckoning for the Freys. I'm actually rooting for her to find the vengeance she's after, and perhaps, if at all possible, some small modicum of peace for herself. So, essentially, I don't think of her as "evil" at all. I'm even partly on her side in the matter of bringing Jaime to justice; that man has not even come close to making amends for what he has done, and he needs to answer. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Lady Nastja Posted July 8, 2013 Share Posted July 8, 2013 I don't see LS has evil or monstrous, instead she just seems a more grey character then the lighter Catelyn but she is still no worse then Stannis or Tyrion for example. :agree: She's a bit cold-hearted, but given everything, she could be far, far worse. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Leif Posted July 8, 2013 Share Posted July 8, 2013 She's not evil, just insane. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
total1402 Posted July 8, 2013 Author Share Posted July 8, 2013 I don't consider genocide moral, and I find those who defend the concept, even applied to fiction, a disgrace.Okay, you are aware that you are the only one talking about genocide. Bringing it up here makes no sense. This is about Cat wanting to kill Freys. Nothing in my reply addresses any potential genocide or any such thing only the theme of the actual topic which is regular revenge of one person against others. Genocide is something committed by nation states against vast groups of people often at an industrial scale. Applying the same principles to a personal vendetta is inappropriate. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Minsc Posted July 8, 2013 Share Posted July 8, 2013 * For those sticking up for UnCat while criticizing Jaime, think on this: when Jaime tried to kill an innocent boy, terrible an act though it may be, it was to protect the person he absolutely loves and cares about from her certain death if Bran were to tell. When UnCat tries to kill an innocent boy, she has absolutely no reason.Jaime tried to kill an innocent kid to cover up his crime and save his own skin, UnCat placed a boy on trial that admits to fighting for the traitors that supported the killing of her entire family. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Errant Bard Posted July 8, 2013 Share Posted July 8, 2013 WHAT!!!!???What had Pod done, that made him deserve being hanged? Please explain.Working for Lannisters in their war against Robb, killing at least one man. Remember that whatever he did was worse than what even Merret (and 90%) of the Freys did... and I don't see much outrage about plots to wipe those out, kids and women included. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
James Sucellus Posted July 8, 2013 Share Posted July 8, 2013 :agree: She's a bit cold-heartedShe... kidnaps and kills innocent people!? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Cas Stark Posted July 8, 2013 Share Posted July 8, 2013 How is hanging Pod Payne justice? How is hanging Brienne justice?This road is well traveled. We know that they are innocent, but based on the actual evidence and circumstances...Brienne is carrying letters from King Tommen, she's carrying reforged Ice with a lion helm, she's been calling for Jamie Lannister in her delerium [the same Jamie Lannister who sent his regards via Roose Bolton heard by Cat herself when her son was stabbed] and she sure as hell has not found Sansa or Arya...she's traveling with Tyrion Lannister's squire, the same Tyrion who forcibly married Sansa Stark. Thats quite a strong case of circumstantial evidence if you ask me. The logical inference would be that they are looking for Sansa to bring her back to KL and give to the Lannisters.And yet Brienne is STILL given a choice to prove her loyalty. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Minsc Posted July 8, 2013 Share Posted July 8, 2013 How is hanging Brienne justice?Brienne committed treason by betraying her charge from Catelyn and instead served the Lannister cause. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Errant Bard Posted July 8, 2013 Share Posted July 8, 2013 Okay, you are aware that you are the only one talking about genocide. Bringing it up here makes no sense. This is about Cat wanting to kill Freys. Nothing in my reply addresses any potential genocide or any such thing only the theme of the actual topic which is regular revenge of one person against others. Genocide is something committed by nation states against vast groups of people often at an industrial scale. Applying the same principles to a personal vendetta is inappropriate.You sicken me. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Minsc Posted July 8, 2013 Share Posted July 8, 2013 You sicken me.They are technically correct, your use of genocide is an overexaggeration Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
James Sucellus Posted July 8, 2013 Share Posted July 8, 2013 Brienne committed treason by betraying her charge from Catelyn and instead served the Lannister cause.Did we read the same books? She gets to King's Landing, finds Sansa isn't there, then pretty soon departs to find her. She doesn't join any Lannister cause. Both Jaime and Brienne have gone well out of their way not to break their oath, and Cat wants to kill them for it.Again.. how is that justice? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Leif Posted July 8, 2013 Share Posted July 8, 2013 There is no justice in the new BWB under UnCat's leadership. Even Thoros says so. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Minsc Posted July 8, 2013 Share Posted July 8, 2013 Did we read the same books? She gets to King's Landing, finds Sansa isn't there, then pretty soon departs to find her. She doesn't join any Lannister cause.UnCat cannot read the books. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Father of Hosts Posted July 8, 2013 Share Posted July 8, 2013 save your energy. they will not understand. it avenges the noble starks and everything is therefore justified. no matter what.Well, somebody has to fight the good fight.I wonder, what did the Frey men at arms do exactly that deserved death? The 20-30 that were the dumbass, drunk one's escort. They were hanged for being Frey men. I wonder if there were women with them... Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Kittykatknits Posted July 8, 2013 Share Posted July 8, 2013 I love Jaime, he's a great character but attempting to kill Bran is pretty far from his finer moments. He even make his "things I do for love line with self-loathing. Heck, even Cersei knew it was wrong. They were committing an act of treason and to cover up illegal activities, Jaime tried to kill an innocent child. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Minsc Posted July 8, 2013 Share Posted July 8, 2013 I wonder, what did the Frey men at arms do exactly that deserved death? The 20-30 that were the dumbass, drunk one's escort. They were hanged for being Frey men. I wonder if there were women with them...Why would they bring women with them? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
newwb Posted July 8, 2013 Share Posted July 8, 2013 Her command of the BWB,might makes right of course Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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