The Snowfyre Chorus

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  1. “Delusion” is the word, in most cases. Prophecy-induced insanity.
  2. As far as I know that deal is still available. But you can't get it up here at the bar. We're flat out. Good gin, though. So good, in fact, it inspired a theory of ice and fire: the infamous "G+T ≠ S."
  3. Great post. Intriguing...
  4. Think I'll just set up here at the bar... and listen along. I do enjoy these conversations.
  5. Ah. Another possibility. Though for whatever reason, once upon a time, I figured Selyse had Mance confused with Craster. Where do we suppose Selyse comes by her explanation?
  6. Well, we get conflicting information. Up in the Frostfangs, in the Skirling Pass, Qhorin Halfhand tells Jon that Mance was wildling born, the last survivor of a group of wildling raiders "put to the sword": But upthread, @Black Crow pointed out that Osha seems to think Mance was not born north of the Wall. She's under the impression that Mance is "just another old black crow who flew down" from the Wall, unlike Osha herself, who "was born up there... born of the Free Folk." Osha's comments are made to Bran, in the Winterfell godswood, in chapter 53 of AGOT: That's a great catch by BC. To be perfectly honest... I'd either forgotten or completely missed Osha's point of emphasis there. I suppose it's been years and years since I first read AGOT - but what I remembered about Mance's background was what Qhorin told Jon. Actually, I do think Qhorin's report is the more complete, more reliable story. But on the face of it, what we have are two conflicting claims about Mance's background: one from Osha, and one from the Halfhand. Definitely worth weighing the two of them... considering what the speakers know and don't know, etc.
  7. Jumping in... is really the only way to do it!
  8. Hello. And not at all - I thoroughly enjoyed your post.
  9. This seems highly likely, to me.
  10. I don’t think they’re just taking Mance’s word for it. I think there is a cultural mythology surrounding the Horn of Winter, and the free folk all know what that is. As Mance says to Jon at the Wall: So the Horn is celebrated in “the songs” known to Mance’s people. And those songs tell that at the next sounding of the Horn, the Wall will fall. Of course, Mance himself seems rather cynical, in the end... it’s not the Horn itself, but the belief in the Horn that he needs and uses (or tries to use) to his advantage. Mance may know all the songs, but you kinda get the sense that he views them more as tools, than as actual truths. (Perhaps he’d agree with Petyr Baelish, another cynic, that “life is not a song.”) So is the Horn a real thing? Well, Mance doesn’t much care - or he cares, but only to the extent that the myth (and the song) serves his purpose.
  11. Nor does the Halfhand: And “Rayder,” as a surname, seems rather self-explanatory.
  12. To paraphrase Monty Python: "I'm Brandon!" "I'm Brandon!" "I'm Brandon, and so's my wife!" To a certain extent, I view the name "Brandon" as a simple stand-in name for members of house Stark. You know: Highgarden had its Garths, Storm's End had its Durrans, and Winterfell has its Brandons. "What was the name of Night's King, again?" "Hang on a minute, I'll look it up. Well, erm... that's odd. It doesn't say. This record is slightly... destroyed." "Nan-bo says he was a Stark." "Oh. Well, must've been a Brandon then." "Right. We'll call him Brandon... Snow. After all, he was rather a bastard." Could be something there, I guess. I tend to discount the World book... but obviously there are possibilities.
  13. Or, more generally, perhaps there is simply enough history with Lord Commanders named "Snow" that the free folk recognize the name as that of an enemy. That would be a reasonable explanation. But I think it's a natural inclination, on the part of the reader, to sense something more specifically relevant (and unstated) in that reaction by Ygritte.
  14. Well, actually I agree with you on that. I guess my main point above was simply that neither of those concepts (bastardy, or surname) particularly support the premise either. Clearly, Ygritte does recognize the name "Jon Snow" in some significant way. She flinches, and declares the name evil. On its face, her reaction itself offers no clear direct connection to Night's King, specifically. But your point here makes good sense to me: I'd just like something more substantial to support the connection to Night's King. Some kind of textual evidence, or logical reasoning. It's an attractive idea - Night's King certainly has an "evil" reputation, south of the Wall. But free folk and kneelers don't always agree on what constitutes "evil," and so (in my opinion, anyway) the mere possibility that NK was a bastard named "Snow" doesn't help much. The thing to do, really, would be to explore other avenues to support the theory. It is an intriguing idea. So maybe I should just put on my thinking cap and test some things out.
  15. Uh huh. With the crossroads, Arya's Needle, a Gods Eye, etc... a Reed here and there... a missing collection of tapestries at nearby Castle Darry... and suddenly you've got yourself a bunch of mysterious textile metaphors. Or whatever.