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  1. Depends on which context you find it in, I suppose. It drew my attention when I read the chapter it appears in - and that chapter is rather pointedly specific about which “aspect of knighthood” Selmy uses to define the role. In the context of this fan forum however, I am not surprised by the argument you make.
  2. Well, it may or may not prove correct, in the end. But in point of fact, the theory did originate from an attempt to explain the text. Specifically: the theory hinges on this curious reflection by Selmy in the chapter “The Kingbreaker,” from ADWD: And of course, that reflection follows closely on Selmy’s observation of plots, ploys, lies, and “secrets within secrets” ... which remind him specifically of that Harrenhal tourney: Clearly, Selmy remembers the Harrenhal tourney as an event colored by deceptions, secrets, hidden plans and agendas. (Which is remarkable, given that one expects his attention would have been rather focused on certain events and tasks.) Regardless... ultimately, the question that led to the theory — the theory being that Selmy (at a minimum) threw the final tilt at Harrenhal - boiled down to this: What does Selmy mean when he reflects that he could have been a “better knight” on that day? The answer to that question has little to do with Rhaegar... and everything to do with the character of Barristan Selmy. It can be deduced by rereading Selmy’s POV chapters in Dance, along with dialogue in various Danaerys POV chapters since Storm.
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    Heresy 217 Dreams and Dust

    I theorize that "Bran the Builder" is a misnomer. The great revelation at the end of this series is that Bran was a Plumber.
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    Heresy 217 Dreams and Dust

    I'd think so, yes. Here's Jojen's dream: I'd say the "grey stone chains" represent Winterfell... or, more specifically, Bran's relationship of duty/responsibility to Winterfell: the duty to remain as "the Stark" in situ. Actually, one could trace a chain of custody for that role through AGOT and ACOK. Ned to Catelyn, Catelyn to Robb, Robb to Bran, etc.... they all offer some version of the statement: "Your place is here, because there must always be a Stark in Winterfell." But when Bran finally leaves, the world believes him dead, and Winterfell itself is broken. Here's Bran's parting thought, as he begins his trek away from the castle: Apparently, that frees him up. No duty to remain in broken castles. So Bran gets the hell outta there. He takes flight, if you will.
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    Heresy 217 Dreams and Dust

    Anyway. Assuming Dany’s visions do bear some relevance to the overall story... and glossing over obvious difficulties in connecting her narrative to various others allegedly depicted in said visions... I’ll take Bran Stark as the great stone beast taking wing from the smoking tower.
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    Heresy 217 Dreams and Dust

    Ironically, while harder to verify, Dany’s experience seems easier to explain. Ancient animated tree faces that speak the Common tongue seem extremely far fetched. Even if six sober witnesses agree one actually exists at the bottom of a well several abandoned castles down the path.
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    Heresy 217 Dreams and Dust

    Not really. But we know Dany licked the acid stamp, earlier in the HotU chapter. And she's the only witness we have to anything that happened inside the House. In contrast, we have at least two POV characters who passed through the Black Gate... and six people who used it to move from one side of the Wall to the other. Honestly, I think that glass of prune juice turns Dany's HotU experience into something closer to Bran's 3EC dream, way back in AGOT. Dream / fever dream / altered consciousness / what have you.
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    Heresy 217 Dreams and Dust

    This bit, right?: Lots of interesting stuff going on there. Was their flesh actually "crumbling parchment?" Their bones literally "dry wood soaked in tallow?" Does Drogon flame the Undying... or does he flame the rotten human heart levitating above the stone table? For some reason I always read that as if he'd flamed the heart, and then the Undying burst into flame. But I see that's not clear. Hold on a minute. Is there actually a rotten human heart levitating above the stone table? Surely that, at least, is a drug-induced hallucination. If the Undying were real... wouldn't Dany have some fairly serious injuries given that, just before she fled, "teeth found the soft skin of her throat," and "a mouth descended on [her] eye, licking, sucking, biting?"
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    Heresy 217 Dreams and Dust

    But were the Undying really there? Or were they just part of the vision(s)?
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    Heresy 217 Dreams and Dust

    Probably worth highlighting the fact that the HOTU chapter is not just a Dany POV chapter. For the most part it is a "Dany-Under-the-Influence" POV chapter. You might call it a "DUI" chapter, for short. ...and from there, she experiences what one can only consider a Bad Trip, with all the accompanying symptoms. Hallucinations, disorientation, anxiety, panic... dry, nude, ancient half-dead men and women pinching her nipple and sucking her eyeball. You know, the usual. It's a third person unlimited perspective... if you're into that sort of thing.
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    Heresy 213 Death aint what it used to be

    Once again (since it's fresh in the mind)... I submit this old thread for consideration: (An OP that originally grew out of an old Heresy conversation.) Underscoring certain points of emphasis in GRRM's story, I'd say it's not overstating things to observe that the life/death status of any particular character in ASOIAF varies as a function of POV. Whether that be the POV(s) of other characters, or the POV of the reader.
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    Heresy 213 Death aint what it used to be

    I didn't. Quit somewhere in the middle, I think. Or maybe I did finish it - I actually don't remember.
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    Heresy 212 The Wolves

    That's a fair point. But here's an old thread for your consideration: Truth is, GRRM has been fake-killing characters ever since Jaime pushed Bran from the First Keep window. And he's brought them them back to life in an impressive variety of ways. I don't think that old thread even addresses the narrative technique of leading readers to believe a character was killed. But how many times have we been through that with Arya? At least twice. (Remember Yoren approaching her with his knife, in her last AGOT chapter? Or the Hound riding her down with an axe outside the Twins, in ASOS?) Frankly, I'm not sure I've ever seen an author bring more characters back from the dead - no matter how much GRRM likes to complain about Tolkien's treatment of Gandalf. The key point of GRRM's complaint, it seems to me, is that death should not be good for one's health and relationships. So the notion that Gandalf, having died, returns to life stronger, wiser, with a better sense of humor, and some sort of miraculous, super-whitening laundry detergent... well, it raised all sorts of objections. Jon Snow may or may not die in these books. But I doubt he stays dead. And when his story resumes, I expect his to be a much less sympathetic POV.
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    Heresy 212 The Wolves

    “So you think he's dead do you?" Interesting theory you have there...
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    Heresy 212 The Wolves

    And what is Ghost? Apart from being the enormous, silent white direwolf, I mean. Seems like there's a fairly obvious metaphorical answer to that question, actually. And, again, it would not surprise me one bit if Ghost finally speaks (howls, growls, etc.), next chapter we get at Castle Black. (He may also rip some characters to shreds.)
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