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  1. The Snowfyre Chorus

    Heresy 208 Winter is Coming

    Closer to 2 million words, by my estimate.
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    Why do book readers hate R+L=J?

    Lol. Check out this thread, eh? I doubt book readers, on the whole, feel one way or the other about RLJ. But the forum denizens... well, whether they believe the tale or no, they just luuuuuuuuuurv to talk about it.
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    Heresy 208 Winter is Coming

    Well, I hadn't gone that far down the path. What I was really wondering was: What evidence do we have in the text that the length and changing of the seasons in Westeros/Planetos are magically-driven? and then, after considering that question for a minute: If Martin hadn't already said that magic was involved, would we have been able to draw that conclusion from the books?
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    Heresy 208 Winter is Coming

    Hm. Yeah, that's actually why I asked.
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    Heresy 208 Winter is Coming

    Here’s a question for heretics. How do we know the length and changing of seasons in Westeros have a magical basis?
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    Heresy 208 Winter is Coming

    Hard for me to see GRRM successfully bringing the Dothraki Horde to Westeros. But maybe he’ll surprise me.
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    Heresy 208 Winter is Coming

    Well, I seriously doubt it's the "Jorah hallucination" that finally convinces her to leave for Westeros. I find it much more likely that Tyrion set up the triggering event earlier in ADWD, over that game of cyvasse with Young Griff (long quote here, so I'm hiding as a spoiler for length): I think Tyrion's got Dany pegged, there. She is a rescuer, and she craves family - in fact, that's what her longing for home is really about... because the only way she's ever known to define "home" is through her family and family stories. In the meantime, before she flies off to Westeros I fully expect her to lay the smack down in Meereen. I'll go ahead and predict violence in Volantis as well - if only in some sort of fly-by flaming - and that should take care of the slave trade in Essos for the foreseeable future. Then she'll be off to Westeros - and we will finally discover, one way or another, whether the (f) in "(f)Aegon" is silent.
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    Heresy 208 Winter is Coming

    Or this passage, which is near the very end of the last Daenerys POV in ADWD:
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    Heresy 208 Winter is Coming

    Lol. Okay. How about this one? This is the moment Dany realizes her brother was such a loser, and the moment immediately before she grows up and begins taking charge of her life:
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    Heresy 208 Winter is Coming

    Here's a good place to start, on the question of Dany's "home":
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    Heresy 208 Winter is Coming

    I just read that, and...
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    Heresy 208 Winter is Coming

    ...and a most unsatisfying purpose that would be, in my opinion. But I agree that no better answer has yet appeared in the text. Early in AFFC/ADWD, Jon and Sam still can't figure it out: Sounds like Sam is having much the same problem we are. Or, possibly, he's making it harder than it needs to be. Maybe the Others aren't all that mysterious. Maybe they're just what they appear to be: supernatural demons of cold, inhuman personifications of hate, out to kill everyone in their path. What they want is... you, dead.
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    Heresy 208 Winter is Coming

    Right. And actually, this was long one of my chief complaints... that the danger represented by the Others is not fully realized or appreciated within Martin's world. And forget the south... nobody is particularly worried in the North, in Winterfell, or even within the Night's Watch. (Jeor Mormont aside.) So it's always felt somewhat difficult to justify the urgency felt by Jon Snow. Or by the reader. The only real cause for alarm seems to be... uh... dark dreams and forebodings, I guess. After all, they've got that big effing Wall. Anyway. Having said that, I think there are similarities between Martin's initial presentation of the Others, and Tolkien's use of Sauron in LOTR. For the reader, Martin frames the Others as the Ancient Evil from Cardinal Direction X, whose Return to the World of Men is Presaged in part by the Arrival of Spooky Undead Thralls. As you point out, it doesn't play out the same way in the story - and I think there are two reasons for that. The first is that Martin's presentation of the Others is mostly a set-up; these supernatural villains do not ultimately fit the "Dark Lord of Cardinal Direction X" template. (This is similar to the way the "hidden heir" trope inspired RLJ, and Jon Snow will not ultimately fit those expectations.) But the second reason it doesn't play out that way is simply that Martin lost momentum and gave up on his story. He could have put more into the Impending Arrival of the Others, and built up more suspense. Instead, he got distracted in Dorne, Meereen, and... Crackclaw Point for some reason. So now, even the "Dark Lord" set up is likely to fall flat with readers. We haven't even seen an Other in 182 chapters. Absurdly, I now have this image of Tolkien and Martin running the "R.R. Fantasy Authors' Marathon." But well, actually... Tolkien is sitting in his parlour smoking a pipe, looking at a trophy on his mantel. And Martin is receiving CPR from paramedics at Mile 16, while observers marvel at how far he's run and celebrate his achievement. Tolkien's narrative pacing was masterful. And he successfully incorporated a 17 year gap into his tale, right at the beginning: see chapter 2 of The Fellowship of the Ring. From that point, the entire story — Frodo's departure to the destruction of the One Ring at Mount Doom — takes place in just six months' narrative time. And Tolkien squeezes another 2.5 years into his final chapter, as he sprints to the finish.
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    Heresy 208 Winter is Coming

    I was suggesting that, insofar as the role of the Others seems analogous to the role of Sauron, the part of the ringwraiths would be played by Martin’s wights (ie, servants or thralls of said evil power) I suppose I could have just said that. But I suspect that analogy doesn’t go much further, in the end. Because where Tolkien’s story relies on a “top down” theology / metaphysics... Martin clearly comes at things from the opposite way. Thus no Dark Lords, per se.
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    Heresy 208 Winter is Coming

    Yes, servants and thralls of the famous Great Evil from Cardinal Direction X. And one must assume they are connected, given the series title and the central roles they play. But it is a remarkable disappointment that, to date, Martin has not demonstrated this connection in a satisfactory way.
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