Hajk Posted February 9, 2014 Share Posted February 9, 2014 Wow. Hajk really drank the kool-aid. Wow. I stand corrected. Clearly your position is right (whatever it is). Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
The Imperator Posted February 9, 2014 Share Posted February 9, 2014 Wow. I stand corrected. Clearly your position is right (whatever it is). ROFL!!!! And here I wasn't even taking a position (also, last two sentences are contradictory). Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Hajk Posted February 9, 2014 Share Posted February 9, 2014 She tortured to innocent girls, crucified 163 people without knowing if they were slavers, and has used slaves, seriously this is not nasty to you? Oh an Astapor. You may view it as nasty as many people on the board do. But what I said was I very seriously doubt GRRM will take her in this direction. Especially after what Robb did to Karstark. I don't think the idea is to develop her into a character that the reader is meant to see as truly nasty. Whether I see it as nasty or not is irrelevant. I said that I do not think GRRM meant or means to make her a truly nasty character. DO you think that is the direction he has in mind for her? Do you think he intended to portray her as a monster? That is not the vibe I get from her chapters or of those around her (i.e. that they see her as such). Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
RoamingRonin Posted February 9, 2014 Share Posted February 9, 2014 She tortured to innocent girls, crucified 163 people without knowing if they were slavers, and has used slaves, seriously this is not nasty to you? Oh an Astapor. If you're going to rehash arguments, don't leave out "she has WMDs!" Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Hajk Posted February 9, 2014 Share Posted February 9, 2014 ROFL!!!! And here I wasn't even taking a position (also, last two sentences are contradictory). Umm...that was kind of the point. I guess I should also add LOLOL as that should make what I say more convincing. ETA: What is the contradiction? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Lord Thornhart Posted February 9, 2014 Share Posted February 9, 2014 Are you? Yup. I wasn't making an HBO Cassel joke, Dany is actually a prostitute and has been since birth. If you're interested, pay fees to Irri. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
The Imperator Posted February 9, 2014 Share Posted February 9, 2014 Umm...that was kind of the point. I guess I should also add LOLOL as that should make what I say more convincing. ETA: What is the contradiction? LOLOL pointing out the obvious, oh you. As to your question, read your previous post again and find out. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Wmarshal Posted February 9, 2014 Share Posted February 9, 2014 If you're going to rehash arguments, don't leave out "she has WMDs!" Meh everyone has their plot gifts dragons she bare are just wild and the size of stormcloud. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Florina Laufeyson Posted February 9, 2014 Share Posted February 9, 2014 Wow. Hajk really drank the kool-aid. Jim Jones style? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Winter's Knight Posted February 9, 2014 Share Posted February 9, 2014 Theres a problem with being proud of where you come from? When i speak of honor, i speak of personal honor. (and its quite sacred to me.) You are talking about the outdated sense of honor. Chivalry shouldnt be gendered just as honor shouldnt have to be status quo. Lying is dishonorable. Killing in cold blood is dishonorable. Respect is honorable. And yes, breaking oaths is dishonorable, but a person should not make an oath they cannot keep. ;) Opening a door for an elderly man is chivalrous. Donating to charities is both chivalrous and honorable. Your view is too extreme and narrow. And extremely gendered. |:[ See this is what I mean when I say I have a hard time explaining this. By "societal pride", I meant how one appears to the society at large. Ned for instance insists on not following Renly's plan because it is not honourable to "drag frightened children from their beds". This is not a question of morality. Hoster forced an abortion on Lysa and married her to Jon A to preserve her honour and Jon A resented her because his honour was touched at wedding a non-virgin. Robb married Jeyne for honour too, yet none of these were the moral choices. Also, "heh" on my view being outdated-it's the view I grew up with. People are still murdered for honour in my country. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Hajk Posted February 9, 2014 Share Posted February 9, 2014 LOLOL pointing out the obvious, oh you. As to your question, read your previous post again and find out. LOLOLOLOL I just did. It said Wow. I stand corrected. Clearly your position is right (whatever it is). What is the contradiction. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
SerBarristantheOld Posted February 9, 2014 Share Posted February 9, 2014 Because Dany doesn't allow shit. The Dothraki are a race of pillagers, rapist, and murders. Drogo has hundred of bells in his hair, meaning he's won hundreds of battles. He raped, pillaged and sold slaves long before Dany. All Dany supplied was a direction for what to do with the money they got. Blaming Dany for Drogo's actions is about as straw man as you can get. Drogo wanted to pillage lands east(around the jade sea specifically )) If you were one of those Lhazareen, you can totally blame what happened to you partially because of Dany. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Brightstar_ Posted February 9, 2014 Share Posted February 9, 2014 So if she starts nailing up random Lannisters to posts in retaliation for Elia, Aegon and Rhaenys, you'll be OK with that because Dany finds those murders morally repugnant and will want someone to pay for them?And "I only do awful things because the other guy did too" stopped working as an excuse for disgusting behavior in grade school. :agree: Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
The Imperator Posted February 9, 2014 Share Posted February 9, 2014 Jim Jones style? Considering he STILL can't find the contradiction in his previous post, I'd say he has other problems. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Nictarion Posted February 9, 2014 Share Posted February 9, 2014 She tortured to innocent girls, crucified 163 people without knowing if they were slavers,Lol, they were leaders of Meereen, they were 100% slavers. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Wmarshal Posted February 9, 2014 Share Posted February 9, 2014 Lol, they were leaders of Meereen, they were 100% slavers. Why on earth would Meerenes actually send Dany their leaders? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Nictarion Posted February 9, 2014 Share Posted February 9, 2014 Why on earth would Meerenes actually send Dany their leaders?We don't know how the selection happened, but we know Dany knew who they were, she sent their remains to their wives.Are you seriously suggesting the Great Masters dressed up slaves as themselves or something? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Brightstar_ Posted February 9, 2014 Share Posted February 9, 2014 Dany is too fickle and passionate to be considered honourable I think. She might start of with the idea of doing the honourable thing, but once her inner dragon gets channeled (or she sees someone with bright blue eyes ) there's no real telling what she's capable of I think, honourable or not. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Winter's Knight Posted February 9, 2014 Share Posted February 9, 2014 Why on earth would Meerenes actually send Dany their leaders? There is text stating that three of the maestars crucified were from a leading family. “You have no lack of enemies, Your Grace. You can see their pyramids from your terrace. Zhak, Hazkar, Ghazeen, Merreq, Loraq, all the old slaving families. Pahl. Pahl, most of all. A house of women now. Bitter old women with a taste for blood. Women do not forget. Women do not forgive.” No, Dany thought, and the Usurper’s dogs will learn that, when I return to Westeros. It was true that there was blood between her and the House of Pahl. Oznak zo Pahl had been cut down by Strong Belwas in single combat. His father, commander of Meereen’s city watch, had died defending the gates when Joso’s Cock smashed them into splinters. Three uncles had been among the hundred sixty-three on the plaza. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
RoamingRonin Posted February 9, 2014 Share Posted February 9, 2014 There is text stating that three of the maestars crucified were from a leading family. Never seen someone quote this in regards to the 163, not even from a Dany fan. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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