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if Tywin still lived, which resurrection would he fear more, Aegon Targaryen or Robb Stark?


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If Tywin coughed in his tomb and someone heard him, and it turned out the old lion was merely wounded and had been in a coma, but still drew breath, but Cersei was still disgraced, Kevan murdered, Jaime mia, Tyrion plotting, and the Tyrells infuriated, Margaery in disfavor, Loras wounded, the Greyjoys raiding the reach, Stannis in the north and the religious holding arms.

Now he hears rumblings that the Young Wolf had a decoy(work with me) and didn't die, but has been in the neck, whilst the Golden Company has landed with a Dragon banner and a Targ.

Which of the two gives him more sleepless nights?

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If Tywin coughed in his tomb and someone heard him, and it turned out the old lion was merely wounded and had been in a coma, but still drew breath, but Cersei was still disgraced, Kevan murdered, Jaime mia, Tyrion plotting, and the Tyrells infuriated, Margaery in disfavor, Loras wounded, the Greyjoys raiding the reach, Stannis in the north and the religious holding arms.

Now he hears rumblings that the Young Wolf had a decoy(work with me) and didn't die, but has been in the neck, whilst the Golden Company has landed with a Dragon banner and a Targ.

Which of the two gives him more sleepless nights?

Aegon, he has a better chance and reason to wipe out the lannisters.
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Aegon. No one was happy with the sacking of KL and the murder of Elia and her children and the fault lies squarely on Tywin's. They would rise up behind Aegon--maybe even fAegon--because of those events. Aegon, with Dorne (and perhaps others) behind him, and the smallfolk making it dangerous for Lannisters to move around KL itself, would be a nightmare for Tywin. The Tyrells might still support him since Margaery is married to Joff/Tommen, but they might find a way to break the unconsummated marriage. If Renly were alive, he might team up with the Lannisters, because Aegon is likely anti-Baratheon too, but Stannis would never team up with Lannisters. Therefore, Tywin would be alone.




Robb will go after the Freys and Boltons first and may not even know of Tywin's role in the RW, so Tywin might see him as less of a threat. Also, he's less likely to have the smallfolk rally around him.


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As much as I want to say Robb, it has to be Aegon. Robb does not want the throne, Aegon does, and he can rally the Stormlands and Dorne to his banner, then with the fall out from Cersie's schemes, the Tyrells as well. Robb could regroup and raise the Twins, then take back the Riverlands, but that is really it, and he would not do that right away. His homeland is in chaos, Robb would go back North before doing anything else.


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Robb easily - he was already afraid of facing Robb in the field and that was when the Tyrell Lannister alliance was strong, now he would probably piss his pants. Also if Robb is still alive I dont see even Lysa having enough power to stop the Vale lords from rushing to his side(according to her they were already on the verge of rebelling)


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Robb easily - he was already afraid of facing Robb in the field and that was when the Tyrell Lannister alliance was strong, now he would probably piss his pants. Also if Robb is still alive I dont see even Lysa having enough power to stop the Vale lords from rushing to his side(according to her they were already on the verge of rebelling)

when was he afraid? He marched to take him out in Clash. Half of the vale lords were for the crown.
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when was he afraid? He marched to take him out in Clash. Half of the vale lords were for the crown.

Which Vale lords were for the crown?? AFAIK they all hate the Lannisters because they think the Lannisters killed Jon Arynn. And Even if a few were for the crown could they still side with the crown after the RW(which everyone knows was planned by Tywin)??

Tywin never outright says he is afraid of Robb(though afraid might be the wrong word - wary would be better) but his actions say otherwise. The RW was a desperate gamble which made the entire realm hate the Lannisters - it also made Tywin give up his dreams of placing a Lannister in WF(since he had to give WF to Roose). He did all this even though he had every conventional advantage possible - numbers, ships, money etc. Also his praise of Robb implies his wariness of meeting him in the field.

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Well, the worse would probably be Jon Snow's parentage revelation. If people believes it, it would be like Aegon Targaryen (Targ Dynasty and pretentions to the crown) + Robb Stark (Stark dynasty and independance wish) resurrections. A nightmare !


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Which Vale lords were for the crown?? AFAIK they all hate the Lannisters because they think the Lannisters killed Jon Arynn. And Even if a few were for the crown could they still side with the crown after the RW(which everyone knows was planned by Tywin)??

Tywin never outright says he is afraid of Robb(though afraid might be the wrong word - wary would be better) but his actions say otherwise. The RW was a desperate gamble which made the entire realm hate the Lannisters - it also made Tywin give up his dreams of placing a Lannister in WF(since he had to give WF to Roose). He did all this even though he had every conventional advantage possible - numbers, ships, money etc. Also his praise of Robb implies his wariness of meeting him in the field.

Martin said they were divided. And yes, has no chance of winning with them alone.

How was the RW a desperate gamble? It was a sure way to kill Robb and capture his crew. He also made sure it appeared entirely a Frey job. Roose was never meant to keep the North, he told Tyrion after RW went down to pregnant Sansa to install him as lord of the North. When did he ever praise Robb? Again if he was so afraid of Robb, why did he march to face him in Clash? What does Robb had that was so scary?

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Which Vale lords were for the crown?? AFAIK they all hate the Lannisters because they think the Lannisters killed Jon Arynn. And Even if a few were for the crown could they still side with the crown after the RW(which everyone knows was planned by Tywin)??

Tywin never outright says he is afraid of Robb(though afraid might be the wrong word - wary would be better) but his actions say otherwise. The RW was a desperate gamble which made the entire realm hate the Lannisters - it also made Tywin give up his dreams of placing a Lannister in WF(since he had to give WF to Roose). He did all this even though he had every conventional advantage possible - numbers, ships, money etc. Also his praise of Robb implies his wariness of meeting him in the field.

Desperate? Hardly. With the allegiance of the Tyrells secure, Tywin had all the ships and manpower he would need to beat Robb soundly, even if he had to forcibly take the fight into the North (which he wouldn't have to - resuming the assualt on the Riverlands would eventually force Robb to defend the lands he had been crowned king of, indefensible though they may be). Thing is, such an endeavor would be extremely costly, and the chance of his allies growing quarrelsome over the duriation of the campaign would encourage him to explore other options.

Lastly, Tywin never intended for Roose to hold the North in perpetuity; It was his design to let Roose be the receiving end of the northern lords' wrath while dealing with the remaining Ironborn. Come spring, all parties would be so exhausted from fighting that Sansa's child by Tyrion could be installed as the new lord of Winterfell with minimal resistance, drawing upon the assessment that the northerners love the Stark name and the stability it promises more than they hate the Lannisters. Tywin says as much in the text, and, well, consider the timing: Sansa and Tyrion's marriage take place after Tywin has given the go ahead to the Red Wedding.

And at the end of the day, Robb has never had a remote chance of threatening Tommen's hold on the Iron Throne (which is principal power behind Tywin's strength) by himself, nor has his interests ever revolved around challenging it. Conversely, Aegon seeks only to forcibly take that throne for himself while simultaneously exterminating the Lannister family, root and stem.

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I wonder whether he'll believe that Aegon is indeed who he says he is. I'd like to see Clegane's reaction as well. Overall, I'd say that Aegon would be the worst threat. There is power behind the Targaryen name and he'll get supporters fast.


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