Faceless User Posted November 17, 2014 Share Posted November 17, 2014 I suspect that the inevitability of the show overtaking the books is why the show is straying more and more from the books and people in the know have started describing it as two similar stories in the same universe.It's a compromise. Take a lot of it verbatim, especially early, but now they'll vary it up a good bit such that the show isn't truly a full-on spoiler and we'll be left to guess what they presented in the show that is the same, slightly different or won't even happen at all.Characters are in different places. Key motivations are somewhat changed. Entire storylines have been cut. I don't think they are even guaranteed to have the same resolution in terms of who sits the iron throne (if anyone) at the end.This is my biggest hope.I don't watch the show anymore, but I think it will be very hard not having the ending spoilered by the internet; I really wish they will end up with the "two stories in the same universe" thing. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
XSarellaX Posted November 17, 2014 Share Posted November 17, 2014 It's a bit disheartening, but really, what can we do about it? These estimations and attempts to predict the future only increase our anguish. I think I will need to stop watching the show, and possibly even stay away from these boards (it's not like people won't discuss what happens to show-Jon here), but I think I can manage. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Baelor Blacktyde Posted November 17, 2014 Share Posted November 17, 2014 I hope I will be alive to read the end of the series! These charity auctions give me an idea though: what if you win the auction, and George Martin emails you for the details of your character that will be killed in the book, and you tell him "I just did a legal name change, my name is now Ramsay Snow-Bolton". Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Knight Of Winter Posted November 17, 2014 Share Posted November 17, 2014 Come on, its a book half done. Perk up folks, we are half way there! Optimist: it's a book half done :drool: Pessimist; it's a book half not-done :worried: GRRM: you'll wait 4 more years :cool4: But, seriously, if it Martin writes half a book per 3.5 years, we're in for a loooong wait. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Wouter Posted November 17, 2014 Share Posted November 17, 2014 They are not going to change the fate of the Iron Throne. D&D know the ending of the books and they have said it's 100% satisfying. They are going to use the real thing. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Bael's Bastard Posted November 17, 2014 Share Posted November 17, 2014 GOT is huge, but it is also expensive, and a lot can happen with an audience over the course of three years. So far it has grown and grown every year, but can it continue to do that the next three years? We'll see. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Leonardo Posted November 17, 2014 Share Posted November 17, 2014 I could also see the show dragging out for more seasons with stuff not from the books at all. Game of Thrones is a huge money maker so I doubt HBO is in a rush to get through it. They've already signed another deal with GRRM for a whole nother series, GOT will end with 7 seasons. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Mycah Bluth Posted November 17, 2014 Share Posted November 17, 2014 I don't know, whenever I read him saying things like that I remember how many drafts he seems to go through and how extensive his writing and re-writing process is. He gives the impression that he at least has the end of the book written as a rough draft, and when he says "in the middle" that means he's feeling 100% about the first half of it. I still believe in a June/July 2015 release, whether that's idiocy or not will be known soon enough. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Ser Not Appearing Posted November 17, 2014 Share Posted November 17, 2014 They've been quite clear they're going to use GRRM's ending. Words are wind. :)More seriously, many paths lead to the same fork in the road.More cryptically, 2+2 and 2*2 equal 4 but they're not really the same math.More more, overall plot points like conclusion of expected Others conflict? Probably. The how? Less certain. I'd say the how drives the throne sitter. I can very much see it being "different" but "the same." The war for the throne isn't the main plot. It's a lesser detail and only serves to weaken Westeros for the Others. How exactly that turns out matters much less than how the battle for Westeros goes. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Bael's Bastard Posted November 17, 2014 Share Posted November 17, 2014 The HBO Night's King nonsense gets brought up all the time in threads, so I hope the people who think they can go without being spoiled don't think they can stick around here without being spoiled. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Baelor Blacktyde Posted November 17, 2014 Share Posted November 17, 2014 P.S. The best way not to be disappointed is to be a pessimist. The last two books have taken 5 and 6 years to be published, and it was really one book split in two. So count 11 years per book, and since he is writing more slowly, add 50% writing time, 16 years per book.Winds of Winter: 2027 (16 years after Dance with Dragons)Dream of Spring: 2043 With that estimate in mind, if they come out sooner, I will be pleasantly surprised. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Faint Posted November 17, 2014 Share Posted November 17, 2014 If what is being suggested by these comments is true, it really is remarkable how precipitous the drop in Martin's writing speed has been over the past fifteen years or so. He went from writing 500 pages a year during the first three books, to around 350 per year for the next two, to what looks to be 200 pages per year now. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Knight Of Winter Posted November 17, 2014 Share Posted November 17, 2014 I still believe in a June/July 2015 release, whether that's idiocy or not will be known soon enough. Oh, sweet summer child :P P.S. The best way not to be disappointed is to be a pessimist. The last two books have taken 5 and 6 years to be published, and it was really one book split in two. So count 11 years per book, and since he is writing more slowly, add 50% writing time, 16 years per book. Winds of Winter: 2027 (16 years after Dance with Dragons) Dream of Spring: 2043 Oh, sourest of winter children :P Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Cas Stark Posted November 17, 2014 Share Posted November 17, 2014 I'm not surprised. So, it looks like it will be a lucky thing if Winds is out before HBO finishes the story, and once that happens, he will have absolutely no motivation at all to finish the last book, so we might expect to see it in the mid 2020s. LOL. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
TallTyrion Posted November 17, 2014 Share Posted November 17, 2014 They've already signed another deal with GRRM for a whole nother series, GOT will end with 7 seasons. What other series? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Mycah Bluth Posted November 17, 2014 Share Posted November 17, 2014 Just for reference, when was the actual release date of Dance issued, and how far in advance of the book coming out? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Gar Weg Wun Sygerrik Posted November 17, 2014 Share Posted November 17, 2014 If only we could get his wife on our side. If she were to start nagging him to write, this would all solve itself. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Faint Posted November 17, 2014 Share Posted November 17, 2014 His interviews this spring will be rather interesting. As will be the ones given by Benioff and Weiss. It looks like the the last four episodes or so of season six will be written without the aid of Martin's material. They will be working off of outlines and notes. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Chebyshov Posted November 17, 2014 Share Posted November 17, 2014 http://i.imgur.com/kdQgFni.gif Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Ser Pollo Loco Posted November 17, 2014 Share Posted November 17, 2014 Does anyone remember when the meerenesse knot was first mentioned 2 years before the adwd release? 3, 4? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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