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    The High King of the Noldor in Westeros
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    ASOIAF, J.R.R. Tolkien's 'Legendarium', Dune by Frank Herbert, mythology, history, literature, languages, writing

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    Mateusz ( in English: Matthew )

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  1. Good morning fellow Westerosi posters, I'm back. The forum looks quite different from what I remember, but well, I must say I really like this new layout. And Ted Nasmith's Casterly Rock as backround image - great idea! I've been away from the forums for some time, but fortunately I never fully left the awesome ASOIAF community. During this break from normal posting, I still participated in The Mythical Astronomy discussions on Twitter & elsewhere. As you know, my main area of interest when it comes to exploring ASOIAF inspirations and influences are 'primary world' mythologies and J.R.R. Tolkien's Legendarium. I often spoke of them in my old posts here, then in The Advent Calendar series of daily thematic posts in December 2017. In March 2018 LML was kind enough to include piecies of my Tolkienic research in his The Stark that Brings the Dawn essay (mainly in the Great Empire of the Dawn section). But now I finally managed tocompile an essay of my own, The Tolkienic Song of Ice and Fire. Part I 'George R.R. Martin's approach to Tolkien' contains several GRRM quotes about Tolkien, and basing on them, I attempt to give a clear picture of what is his opinion on Tolkien Part II is 'References to Lord of the Rings, The Hobbit and The Silmarillion in ASOIAF' Part III 'Oh, that land which the Eldar name Númenórë, lost for us for evermore' is focused on my theory - that The Great Empire of the Dawn was heavily inspired, among other things, by J.R.R. Tolkien's Númenor, with The Bloodstone Emperor being Ar-Pharazôn and Amethyst Empress standing for Tar-Míriel. House Dayne and House Hightower are, at least according to me, based on Elendil and his sons fleeing from the sunken Isle of Elenna. In that chapter I detail many more parallels between the two lost civilizations. Because of its lenght, I won't post the full text here - you can find it here. Thanks!
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    Rough ancient narrative seeking like minded fans.

    @LmL is into such things, which he analyses in his 'The Mythical Astronomy of Ice and Fire' series. I'd especially recommend these essays: The Last Hero and the King of Corn King of Winter, Lord of Death The Grey King and the Sea Dragon Astronomy Explains the Legends of Ice and Fire Garth of the Gallows Venus of the Woods Shadow Heart Mother Lucifer means Lightbringer George R. R. Martin is Writing Modern Mythology
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    POEMS (or other sundry quotes) that remind you of ASOIAF

    Who's Milan Kundera? Tęsknota = longing in Polish.
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    POEMS (or other sundry quotes) that remind you of ASOIAF

    Thanks for sharing that poem RR! Indeed, this ASOS passage is very reminiscent of Tolkien's description of Boromir's funeral in The Two Towers. Who knows, maybe Hoster's wake was directly inspired by that scene - or, Scandinavian Viking customs and traditions concerning the burial of kings and warriors.... I think that it's important to try to find those more metaphorical, symbolic, archetypal and thematic paralels between GRRM's books and other masterpieces of literature/poetry. Right now I'm working on an essay focusing on such similarities, as I find obvious, 1:1 nods and references too boring... Ser Gladden Wylde, Elron of the Night's Watch, Sauron Salt-tongue, certain sigils and houses... I think that GRRM puts them in there just to point the reader in the right direction - to search for deeper, hidden meanings, we have to be sure, or at least nearly certain that George's read book X or is familiar with author Y. These simple nods and homages - to Tolkien, Lewis, Joyce, Shakespeare, Jordan, Wells, various other authors and works, history, mythologies, astronomy - tell us that 'GRRM knows this subject'. Then, we can start to wonder - 'ok, he knows Tolkien, but what now? What does it mean? Why does he reference him in chapter X or scene Z? What's the narrative purpose? Foreshadowing? A reponse? A commentary? Right now I'm writing essay on this topic, focusing on paralels (not 1:1 copies, which GRRM never puts into his books!) between GRRM and JRRT... when the first text is ready, should I send it to you? *** And here's a poem I find quite similar in tone to Tennyson's... 'I Sit Beside the Fire and Think', by J.R.R. Tolkien: I sit beside the fire and thinkof all that I have seenof meadow-flowers and butterfliesin summers that have been; Of yellow leaves and gossamerin autumns that there were,with morning mist and silver sunand wind upon my hair. I sit beside the fire and thinkof how the world will bewhen winter comes without a springthat I shall ever see. For still there are so many thingsthat I have never seen:in every wood in every springthere is a different green. I sit beside the fire and thinkof people long agoand people who will see a worldthat I shall never know. But all the while I sit and thinkof times there were before,I listen for returning feetand voices at the door
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    POEMS (or other sundry quotes) that remind you of ASOIAF

    Speaking of the Sea... From The Lord of the Rings, The Two Towers by J.R.R. Tolkien: Then Legolas sang: Then Aragorn sang again: So they ended. Then they turned their boat and drove it with all the speed they could against the stream back to Parth Galen. 'You left the East Wind to me,' said Gimli, 'but I will say naught of it.' 'That is as it should be,' said Aragorn. 'In Minas Tirith they endure the East Wind, but they do not ask it for tidings. But now Boromir has taken his road. and we must make haste to choose our own.' *** Beautiful rendition of this lay by Clamavi De Profundis: @ravenous reader, congratulations on your new blog (Unchained showed it to me on Twitter, where I dwell these days)... I took a break from The Forums, and much has changed.... I've returned to Tolkien, and I'm planning to write a whole series on ASOIAF/Tolkien conncections. I've had long discussions with LML on this topic - Numenor and The Great Empire of the Dawn, Minas Morgul/Minas Ithil, Luthien and Sansa, Sauron and The Bloodstone Emperor, Earendel and The Sword of the Morning... I've read Nietzsche, Jung and some Freud, and finally, those Graham Hancock books LML recommends... and most importantly, The Golden Bough by Sir James George Frazer and The White Goddess by Robert Graves. I'm overflowing with new ideas, and all deserve their own essays. Meanwhile, I'm translating LML's works. By the way, are you familiar with @Darry Man's essays about The Symbolic Significance of Ebony & Persimmon in ASOIAF and A Tragedy of Ice and Fire?
  6. You forgot about the amethyst tiger, bloodstone tiger, white tiger, black tiger, golden tiger and strawberry tiger.
  7. Continous progress is a concept well-liked by those who support whatever ideology is in power right now. It's tempting to see 'our' civilization and culture as the pinnacle of all progress ever. I guess that's why things like in the Reneissance many scholars tried to show the Middle Ages as nothing more than Dark Ages full of clumsy and filithy idiots (who supposedly didn't even bathe... While in fact, it was a certain reneissance doctor who came up with a brilliant concept that bathing is bad for health... Well, if you bathe in a river near a major city, this might be true). Earlier, we had the same pattern with Classical and Antiquity painted as times of depravity and gluttony... And this pattern appears with virtually every civilisation ever. I think that we should realise that we're all only humans after all and there'll be good and bad, smart and stupid, decent and cruel people in every generation of every civilisation.
  8. Well, since that's how they've set up the whole educational system, I wouldn't say it's fair to blame anybody for being a part of it. Here, in Poland, the middle aka junior secondary school is basically a three-years long course preparing you for few exams, with the points gained there being the sole reason for your acceptance to a good high school. And high school is even more obvious preparatory course for a single exam. The teachers know more-or-less which part of the curriculum will they ask about in the exam questions and tasks... So for three years no one gives a s*** about what you actually can do or can't do... The school just wants to have graduates with 80, 90% etc. points at the final exam. Not smart or knowledgeable people. Cretins good at answering a question created according to a key and guidelines known to everybody. Take Hamlet for example. You don't have to understand wtf is going on, or the message, or the symbolism. You have to remember that 'Hamlet is an example of a tragic hero'. For example, on Polish literature final exam the topic of an essay you have to write always follows the same pattern: 'Is love/patriotism/bravery/heroism/ whatever worth fighting for/suffering for/whatever. Mention two examples of characters from literature to support your thesis'. So, during three years of lessons you learn that character A (Hamlet, Macbeth, Frodo Baggins, Ebenezer Scrooge) can be used to support Thesis B.
  9. If you were treated with disrespect and your ideas and posts and essays were diminished and judged not basing on their quality and value, but basing on the author's (in this case mine) age, wouldn't you get a bit annoyed when you see the same generalising and stereotypical claims again? But, I bear you no ill will, and I believe that you bear no ill will towards me, or anyone else. So, sorry if my post sounded like an attack on your and your thread. It seems you've started a great and fascinating discussion. And that's good.
  10. I'm 17, yet I'm here at a literature forum. And I'm not even a native speaker of English. I had to spend 11 years learning it, and in the meantime I've been working and studying tons of other stuff as well. So please don't throw me in your bag of 'current generation morons'. And I'd advise generalisations, like the one you've just made.
  11. It wasn't my post or discussion, I was just a go-between, as usually. http://asoiaf.westeros.org/index.php?/topic/144477-skinchanger-zombies-jon-the-last-hero-and-coldhands/&page=14#comment-7828318
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    What or who is the tiger-woman?

    In Chinese folklore, European's were-wolf's equivalent is the were-tiger. So, maybe this 'tiger woman' was actually a warg/skinchanger from Westeros (or elsewhere) but in The Great Empire of the Dawn and Yi Ti (which are inspired by China) she was called 'tiger-woman'?
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    What or who is the tiger-woman?

    I think you should cover sample chapter spoilers... It's worth to mention that Victarion's first two wives died as well, and she killed the third. Cregan Karstark 'has buried two wives already' and Alys fears that when she gived him a child, he'll kill her as well. Since you've mentioned the Red Kraken, he died on the hands of of a girl he tried to take as salt wife, a lunar revange motif perhaps? And he wielded Valyrian steel blade Nightfall, so his BE/AA symbolism is easy to spot. Another 'Nissa Nissa Cat' figure is Lelia Lannister, The Queen of the Iron Islands: http://awoiaf.westeros.org/index.php/Lelia_Lannister She has the 'weirwood stigmata' you've mentioned in the last episode. And she's called 'The Fairest Flower of the West'.
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    What or who is the tiger-woman?

    Funny you should mention this... As in The Forsaken But I think that while Falia is a Nissa Nissa figure, she's not The Nissa Nissa. She's like Beric and Thoros, who have Azor Ahai symbolism and in some scenes play the role of Azor Ahai but are not The Azor Ahai. Falia is a great Nissa Nissa as Child of the Forrest symbol because her father's sigil has oak symbolism. And House Hewett (at least methaporically) has blood of Garth the Green, via his son Owen Oakenshield. @LmL, what do you think about this? Btw, since we're on this topic, Balon's father Quellon might give us clues about the original Bloodstone Emperor/Azor Ahai. He died at the battle of the mouth of The Mander, where we find the mysterious Battle Isle... Did the first Azor Ahai perish there as well? Quellon's third wife, Lady Piper of Pinkmaiden plays the role of his Nissa Nissa, as she comes to a foreign land and another culture (The Iron Islands), where she becomes pregnant and dies in childbirth, just like the original Nissa Nissa died (if LML's theory is true and indeed forging of Lightrbringer is a metaphor of procreation and she was a COTF/human woman who came to the Great Empire from abroad). Joffrey is an solar Azor Ahai figure as well, at least in some scenes (that's why some characters call the red comet Joffrey's comet. He gets valyrian steel blades as well, black-red reforged Ice). And he has one scene where he metaphorically kills the COTF-cat-Nissa Nissa character to get her children (which can be metaphores for Lightbringer or the moon meteors coming from cracked second moon, which might be symbolised by Nissa Nissa lunar figure):