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  1. I don't think Martells will support Aegon because both Doran and Arianne is suspicious of his identity, for good reasons I believe he isn't Elia's son but Lyanna's instead, Arianne and her group doesn't know anything about Jon Connington and Aegon + they were expecting Daenerys and her dragons. Where is Daenerys? Where are the dragons? Where is my son? This is the quote we have from TWOW. Arianne and group can't understand if Aegon and Jon Connington are fake or not, so this suspicion of them will lead them to be careful and cautious which will lead Aegon to search for other forces in Dorne as we know Daemon Sand doesn't want Arianne to go the Storms End although he is genuinely cares for her. Plus even with Elia married to Rhaegar Targaryen, Oberyn was anti-Targaryen as he told stories of Garin the Great and Nymeria to his daughters, Arianne and Garin. Mace Tyrell also doesn't believe Aegon is real and most likely isn't the friend from the Reach. Enters the First Men descendant houses of the Reach who seeks claim to the Highgarden and especially Florents. Who may support Aegon after the deaths of Shireen and Stannis. Edric Storm is a noble bastard, is half Florent and wasn't he taken to Essos? Legimitize him and he becomes the Lord of Stormlands. Dickon Tarly is married to a girl form House Mooton aka another Targaryen loyalist from the Riverlands and a First Men house too if I am not mistaken. Does that means there will a Dance of Dragons or Aegon and Daenerys will fight? Unlikely, as last Targaryens they are allies and the realm doesn't need another pointelss war when the Others are upon them. That's the reason I don't like Blackfyre theories too if Varys was a Targaryen bastard he will be the descendant of Brynden Rivers, hello both are great Maester of Whispers, Brynden had a relationship with Shiera Seastar whose mother from Lys and she can always turn to Essos after Brynden took the black and Brynden Rivers never supported the Blackfyres. Yes Blackfyre is important pre Asoiaf and also explains why there are exiled Weaterosi nobles in Essos but has no place in modern history.
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    Aegon TWOW

    He will either go to Old Town or Riverlands but at the end he will end up in the Wall before taking KL because the news of Others attacking will arrive to south of the Neck. I say either Allyria Dayne ((wishful thinking of mine)) or Sansa but never Arianne - there is no gain for Aegon like there was no gain for Viserys too.
  3. Hello everyone, is anyone up for a crackpot House Dayne discussion for TWOW that doesn't include parentage theories ? (Since this is a book discussion and Aegon is Young Griff not Jon, I would love to state it before I begin. ) During ASOIAF House Dayne is made of three known members, Lord Edric “Ned” Dayne - lord of Starfall, his aunt Lady Allyria Dayne, and Ser Gerold Dayne of High Hermitage. I will try to talk about all three of their reasons for supporting Aegon. The first reason they will support Aegon is sentimental. Ned Dayne is twelve and Allyria is sixteen or seventeen so they will tend to make decisions based on their emotions more. Their uncle/brother Ser Arthur Dayne the Sword of the Morning was a member of KG and a friend to Prince Rhaegar while their aunt/sister Ashara Dayne was Lady in waiting to Elia Martell. Hearing Aegon is alive they may want to support him because that’s what Arthur and Ashara will do. But is that all? No there are opportunities that will come with supporting Aegon - my friends let’s all put our tinfoil hats on. As a start we have to go to Queenmaker chapter and the aftermath of it. When Myrcella was wounded by one of the Arianne’s group. No one saw who attacked Myrcella not even Arianne herself and Doran also says how no one saw what happened too but he scapegoated Gerold Dayne and forced him to flee. Let me say I do not think it was Dayne who wounded Myrcella because it seems she was attacked with a knife and from close distant. So who is our culprit? Drey. He was exiled to Norvos to serve Mellario for three years that’s not a punishment even poor Sylvia was married of the Estermonts. Garin is a good candidate too but it was Drey that Myrcella seem to not to trust - these two are also likely moles in Arianne’s group. Wrongly framed with harming Myrcella of course Gerold Dayne will not trust his liege lord anymore. There is already bad blood between House Dayne and House Martell. Before Nymeria came to Dorne Martells were a nothing house and Daynes were kings of the Torentine. Gerold Dayne already disses Garin the Great for his failure against Valyria and maybe even questions the sanity of Nymeria like I do, because who seeks refuge in Sothoryos. And the last Dayne king - Vorian Dayne were exiled to the Wall. If Daynes want to rise against Martells in a rebellion now it's the time because Dorne seem to suffer from a drought that doesn't get any better + Doran is weak, Oberyn is dead, Quentyn is dead, Arianne might die. There must be a reason why Dayne's avoided Martells after Elia's death. Ashara was a lady in waiting to Dornish princess but Allyria is nowhere near Arianne and doesn't listed as a friend of hers. She is bethored to a marching Lord not a Dornish one and certainly not to Quentyn. Even Edric Dayne himself is a squire for Beric and not Oberyn. Or a friend to young Trystane. What can we expect from TWOW when it comes to Darkstar? For him to win against Obara and Areo, and for him to tell Balon Swann the identity of the true culprit. Then when they learn of GC and Aegon's arrival to Stormlands, Darkstar may go to Aegon to support him too. So can Gerold Dayne be a KG for Aegon? I am not saying he will stole Dawn or something, there is an office of Sword of the Morning so maybe Dawn is protected by them and they chose who will yield it, am office also may have it's own oaths so I don't think Gerold Dayne will attempt to do something like that. But he could still have a place in KG, a good parallel with Aegon the Conquer because he had a hedge knight in his KG and Joffrey Dayne was a knight during his reign too. So Darkstar will be close to Aegon. Or maybe he will lead the Dornish troops for Aegon? hmm there was a Dayne ancestor that burned down the Citadel and if Aegon doesn't make his way up to Riverlands then he may head towards the Reach. Next point to discuss is being a Queen Consort for Aegon. Yes Jon Connington said Aegon will be single for Daenerys but there is no harm in to mention Allyria Dayne is single after her bethored Beric Dondarrion died. And if people can say Aegon will marry Arianne although it has no pros for Aegon and Arianne has to support Aegon as her blood without any demands there is no harm in to speculate Allyria marrying Aegon. Lady Dyana Dayne was wife of Maekar the Anvil but died before he become king, Lady Clarisse Dayne was seen as a suitable wife for Maegor Targaryen until twenty three years old barren maiden Ceryse Hightower was chosen. These are two near misses for House Dayne and Allyria is their third chance. So who will talk with Aegon about Allyria? Maybe Edric Dayne himself? We know after Beric died he left the BWB, I could see him being accompanied by Thoros of Myr and going to Stormlands to bury Beric Dondarrion after his final death. And Edric and Thoros is the reason I think Aegon might go to Riverlands. Stoneheart is hanging everyone, Tully's are still besieged and Riverlands suffer most from War of the Five Kings. [∆ extra tinfoil ∆ assumes Ned + Ashara = Jon + Allyria ] The first Daenerys married a Martell prince while her brother Daeron the Good married Mariah Martell to unite Dorne with rest of the seven kingdoms. Now it is North that is independent and maybe well will see a marriage between post resurretion Jon Stark and his sister. That sister maybe Sansa too but with her dubious marriage to a Lannister parentage of Jon and Allyria comes in handy to again highlight the fact she can be the Queen of Aegon. Aegon is here and Dayne’s are ready to strike I say. I wonder what kind of strings Allyria pull in her castle too. Because we aren't given any insight to Starfall and if she doesn't have any plans she is either incompenent or so fucking laid back to care what is going on in the realm. We know nothing about her, we don’t even know if she is the lady type or a warrior type or both or how she looks like. She could be out here wrecking havoc and we don’t know what’s her deal. Last reason is Thoros of Myr and faith of the R'hllor. In Essos they support Daenerys who is stuck in Mereen but Aegon is here and Thoros and Melisandre will seek him for sure. Aegon was taught the mysteries of Faith by Septa Lemore who is soiled and we never know what she is teaching to him maybe Aegon will choose fire and blood over seven. So what do you think? Will House Dayne really support Aegon or not? Allyria as Queen? Darkstar as KG? Power shift in Dorne?
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    Worst theory you've ever heard

    Rhaegar + Lyanna = Jon Young Griff is Blackfyre Ashara + a man here who is not Ned Stark Bloodraven is Three Eyed Crow Rhaegar being alive as someone else, he was cremated ok get over it. Brandon fathering a child, no he didn't if he had a bastard he would have one from. Barbrey Ryswell/Dustin not Ashara/Catelyn Daenerys is someone else's daughter and not Rhaella and Aerys' theories. Please now Viserys will throw baby sister to the trash if he knew Daenerys wasn't his sister, he was nine. Rhaegar wanted a Visenya doesn't make sense to me, more like he wanted a Maegor for his Aenys. His son was the perfect prince yes but born to a sickly woman who knew if baby Aegon wouldn't end up weak as well that's why he needed another son to complete his weak side in the future. (But that's me) Lyanna is Knight of the Laughing Tree, the knight was referred as male always and so there is no mystery about his gender Jojenpaste
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    Casting the Characters Who've Been Cut

    Yeah I understand you, I disagree with everything about the popular theories anyways. Let's wait until TWOW to find out more about Aegon Young Griff Targaryen who is the son of Rhaegar and Lyanna ♥
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    Casting the Characters Who've Been Cut

    He legit dyed his hair blue in honor of his mother? And Jon Con is out there wearing a red wolf skin? Plus he is an imposter of Elia's baby not Rhaegar's and he won't be in the show because D&D combined him with Jon already, so it is Jon who is an Aegon imposter now. We know from D&D R+L's son is Aegon - who is YG in the books. Tony Regbo as Young Griff Since Leyla Feray iş Only twenty two - I want to suggest Azra Akın as older Ashara Dayne - Azra is thirty six years old. https://img.gecce.com.tr/2017/12/03/azra-akin-at-171238MD.jpg
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    Casting the Characters Who've Been Cut

    Well he is R+L's Aegon not R+E's so it makes sense he is younger - and imo casting him younger will allude to fact there is something fishy about his story to search for.
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    Casting the Characters Who've Been Cut

    Young Griff is same age as Jon in the books - actually a few months younger, but the actor is what in his late twenties, early thirties? I used to prefer age appropriate casts but I plan to make an exception for Young Griff. My new Allyria would be Aleksandra Bortich from Viking.
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    Casting the Characters Who've Been Cut

    I like to imagine Leyla Feray (Ayşe Haseki Sultan from Magnificent Century Kösem) as Ashara Dayne because she is just so gentle and beautiful like how I imagine Ashara to be and her character commited suicide in the show so tragic back story connection ✓ she was also pregnant at some point ✓ Anastasia Tsilimpiou as Allyria would be so cute really. Maybe Veronika Bonell to be more age accurate. Alexander Dreymon as Brandon Stark? Deepika Padukone is the Elia Martell we deserve. Arianne Martell is hard, for me, but Kristi Sanon? Aditi Rao Hydari? Jon Connington : Kevin McKidd Jamie Campbell Bower as Young Griff? Too old?
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    Dissecting Names

    Durran > Duran in Turkish means standing, from durmak, to stay or to stop. There is also the name Turan, land of the Tur in Persian and refers to Central Asia - I think there is a connection to Turkic peoples that live there. Don > don has several different meanings in Turkish, don means underwear, donanmak means dress up or be equipped. Don also means hail, as in precipitation type, and donanma means fleet. So Durrandon could mean standing hail and refer to the long night and the hearsh winter? Artur is a Turkish male name and means attractive - not used by Turkish people though. Dayne > Dane aka Great Dane - I am talking about the dog. Sirius is known as the dog star, the brightest star and related to Ancient Egyptian history and mythology. House Dayne seem to be inspired by Ancient Egypt?
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    What is Jon Snow's real name?

    It seems like we believe in different parentage theories for Jon, that's okay. I do not think any character strictly symbolizes Ice and Fire, it is deeper than that in my eyes. For Azor Ahai, Brandon is the most suitable as the original one but we will see if Jon is really Azor Ahai come again.
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    What is Jon Snow's real name?

    Tbh I kinda like the idea of Aegon being Lyanna's, no hate towards Elia because I love her character more than Lyanna lol, because that would create an Age of Bastards. Aegon - a royal bastard on iron throne. Jon - a highborn bastard as Lord of Winterfell. Edric Storm - another highborn bastard as Lord of Storm's end after the deaths of Stannis and Shireen? I do not know what is the likeliness of it but I really like the idea. What would you guys think about Jon being named Brandon? I mean he is Azor Ahai, who is Brandon of the Bloody Blade and there was also Brandon Snow who thought they should fought against Aegon and his dragons and had weirwood arrows. Do we know book Jon would magically bond with Dragons and gave North to Targaryens on golden plate when his own brother died for it's independence? Although Jon being named after Jon Stark, the King who built Wolf's Den is a pleasing idea.
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    What is Jon Snow's real name?

    @LynnS I do not think I am able to spoil anything since I do not see anything but hate towards Aegon Young Griff after he was introduced in ADWD... The only possiblity of him being a Blackfyre for majority of the fandom - I don't remember being him appreciated and it is surprising? Him being mummer's dragon because he acts like being Elia's son when he is Lyanna's son will be shocking revelation...
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    What is Jon Snow's real name?

    But there is already an Aegon in the story who is also same age as Jon and dies his hair blue to honor his dead mother? He also happens to look like Rhaegar just like Jon looking like his father, Ned. And becomes a decisive leader and a perfect prince from a sheltered boy with a dotting father figure? He kills the boy and let the man be born just like Aemon said to his brother Aegon. He also wears a straw hat like him? Has a Hegde knight called Duck, while Egg had Dunk. Egg's mother was a Dayne and there is a possiblity of Lemore being Ashara. Why would Jon had to be Aegon when Aegon himself fits to be Rhaegar and Lyanna's son? When GRRM draws parallels between Egg and Aegon this much? And the show itself combined the two characters at the last season. We could start exploring other possibilities for R+L instead of believing R+L=J like it is the ultimate truth.
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    Is R+L=J canon in the books?

    It is not cannon, it might be possible but just because that's the most popular theory doesn't mean it is true. I do not believe in R+L=J and do not want it to be cannon, especially if Jon is going to be renamed Aegon. The show combined Young Griff with Jon and said R+L= Aegon. Since we know show Jon was previously combined by Stannis and Mance too we can say this is D&D's way to not to spoil the books. R+L is Aegon as in Young Griff not because Jon has another name and identity of Jon's mother is still a mystery for George to reveal.
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