Willam Stark

Gerold was first introduced to us during the Queenmaker's plot led by Arianne, and after his attempt to kill Myrcella, he finally fled. It was when Arianne confronted her father that the famous sentence was said: "You were a fool to make him part of this. Darkstar is the most dangerous man in Dorne. You and he have done us all great harm." A Feast for Crows, Chapter 40, Princess In The Tower. Do you have any ideas?

I was referring to the narrative framework, but I wasn't clear: unlike GRRM with his notes, maester Yandel is an in-universe character and doesn't have access to all knowledge. I still think they are a more reliable source of information though and shouldn't be thrown out the window, but I agree on the fact that they aren't definitive answers in absolute terms.

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House Arryn have a cadet branch in Gulltown, so they have a better claim than Sansa if Robert and Harry die without issue.

Totally understandable, all these languages have guttural sounds that do not exist in English. As a native French, I have the impression that it's quite the opposite: we don't speak that fast and it's the others who speak fast in their native tongue. I've been learning English since middle school and even now, I still can't pronounce words like "through" correctly. But I'm kinda glad because my French accent is not that strong when I'm speaking English.

Same can be said for TWOIAF, the source you rely on. The difference is the information provided to us in the SSMs comes directly from GRRM, while the information in TWOIAF comes from maester Yandel, who is not fully reliable. So if there is a contradiction, it is the information from the SSM that must be taken into account. Thus the early Lannisters were Andals who later intermarried with other Andals and First Men. The Andal invasion happened before the Rhoynish invasion and before doesn't mean that nobody came after them. When the Rhoynish arrived in Dorne, they interbred with the local First Men and Andals. The sandy Dornishmen interbred more with the Rhoynish than the stony one, and took over their darker features. This is the logical conclusion that can be drawn by linking all the information at our disposal. Both Andals and First Men origins. That doesn't mean that they didn't interbreed with Andals. Tall and fair-haired Andals actually. You just didn't understand what you've read and drew the wrong conclusions. To make your point, you've talked about Myr and then the sandy Dornishmen. The thing is that the Andals are from Andalos not from Myr, the sandy Dornishmen have more Rhoynish blood, who have dark features themselves, than the stony Dornishmen who have fair features. With all the information at our disposal, nothing contradicts the fact that Andals were tall and fair-haired people. We don't have any real reason to doubt that, actually. As Martin said: "<...> Of course, you also need to remember that there have been hundreds and in some cases thousands of years of interbreeding, so hardly anyone is pure Andal or First Man." I already provided you the information "The Andals were the first, a race of tall, fair-haired warriors" A Game of Thrones, Chapter 66, Bran VII. "And those who would not be slaves but were unable to withstand the might of Valyria fled. Many failed and are forgotten. But one people, tall and fair-haired, made courageous and indomitable by their faith, succeeded in their escape from Valyria. And those men are the Andals." The World of Ice & Fire, Ancient History: Valyria's Children

Lannisters are Andals descendants, confirmed by GRRM himself "Houses descended from the First Men tend to have simple short names, often descriptive. Stark. Reed. Flint. Tallhart (tall hart). Etc. The Valyrian names are fairly distinct are well: The « ae » usage usually suggests a Valyrian in the family tree. The Andal names are . . . well, neith Stark nor Targaryen, if that makes sense. Lannister. Arryn. Tyrell. Etc. Of course, you also need to remember that there have been hundreds and in some cases thousands of years of interbreeding, so hardly anyone is pure Andal or First Man." Archive of the interview The purer Andals are the stony Dornishmen and they are the fairest "The salty Dornishmen had the most Rhoynish blood, the stony Dornishmen the least <...> The stony Dornishmen were biggest and fairest, sons of the Andals and the First Men, brown-haired or blond, with faces that freckled or burned in the sun instead of browning." A Storm of Swords, Chapter 38, Tyrion V. The Andals are tall and fair-haired people "The Andals were the first, a race of tall, fair-haired warriors" A Game of Thrones, Chapter 66, Bran VII. "And those who would not be slaves but were unable to withstand the might of Valyria fled. Many failed and are forgotten. But one people, tall and fair-haired, made courageous and indomitable by their faith, succeeded in their escape from Valyria. And those men are the Andals." The World of Ice & Fire, Ancient History: Valyria's Children Regarding the Masseys, I think they are simply First Men who intermarried with Velaryons or even Targaryens at the time of the Conquest and thereafter, as Lord Varys suggested. House Dayne is, in my opinion, the only House that originates directly from the Great Empire of the Dawn, the others are Andals or First Men houses except the Targaryens, Velaryon and Celtigar who are of course Valyrians.

At the beginning of the saga? I'm talking about the people who were South of the Wall, but you can try to guess how many Wildlings lived North of the Wall if you want. Westeros is as big as South America, which has an area of 17,840,000 km2, almost twice the size of Europe. It emulates the 15th century Europe and is more populated in the South than in the North, all of these parameters have a significant impact on the quantity of people and population density. So what do you guys think?

The Blackfyre male line is extinct, but Illyrio did not say anything about the female line. This means that a Blackfyre female or a male with Blackfyre ancestry through their maternal line could be alive. Serra had the right look and is a female, thus she might be the Blackfyre link. Of course she could also just be a Lyseni whore, but it doesn't contradict the informations we have on House Blackfyre. Do you have the precise quote? I don't have the English version of the books, it would be really helpful.

Are you referring to Serra as a possible Blackfyre or as Varys' sister? Because we have clues about her likely Blackfyre ancestry, but I agree with you on the Varys part. All the Targaryen kings had Valyrian features, even those who didn't have a Valyrian mother (Aegon II, Maekar, Aegon V, Jaehaerys II) thus there is nothing weird here. GRRM gives to his characters the look he wants them to have for plot convenience, it's not the first time he does it and probably not the last. I don't recall Varys saying that he wanted to "create the perfect king from scratch", just that his Aegon has been raised to be a great king. This is why I think that Lemore is actually Serra, who was born as Blackfyre, became Illyrio's wife and Aegon's mother.

I don't think that the founder of House Dayne and the early Starks were bloodrelated, nor that Dawn is Lightbringer or Ice. What I believe is that the founder of House Dayne was the last hero, came from the Great Empire of Dawn, meaning that he is closely related to the early Valyrians. He came to Westeros, used the ataxite mentioned by Mister Smikes and fire magic to forge his dragonsteel sword. Brandon the Builder was one of his companions and after defeating the Others, he helped him build the Wall with the COTF and giants. Later, Valyrians used the same spell as the last hero to create their VS swords, but with a different iron, a darker one.

Dragons can be injured or killed by regular weapons, remember what happened to Drogon in ADWD and how Meraxes ended up. But it would have been very difficult, even impossible for Brandon to get close enough and kill the dragons without being caught by Aegon's warriors or burned alive by these same dragons. As for skinchanging into a dragon, a regular skinchanger won't be able to do that, the dragon will struggle and force them out, but a skinchanger with Targaryen blood (Bloodraven and most likely Jon) might be able to achieve it.

I also have this problem as a French, the French version is harder to understand than the original one, because the translator sometimes uses words that are no longer used in modern French or change the meaning of sentences. That is why I always check the wiki to find the correct words when I'm talking about specific matters or to understand what people are saying. Without the wiki, I wouldn't know what "King's Landing" refers to since we don't have an equivalent in French, the word chose by the translator doesn't mean the same thing as the original one. It may lead me to make some mistakes.

Yes, we know: "The greenseers were more than that. They were wargs as well, as you are, and the greatest of them could wear the skins of any beast that flies or swims or crawls, and could look through the eyes of the weirwoods as well, and see the truth that lies beneath the world." A Storm of Swords, Chapter 9, Bran I. "Only one man in a thousand is born a skinchanger," Lord Brynden said one day, after Bran had learned to fly, "and only one skinchanger in a thousand can be a greenseer." A Dance with Dragons - Bran III "For the next step. For you to go beyond skinchanging and learn what it means to be a greenseer." A Dance with Dragons - Bran III Basically, a greenseer is a super skinchanger. I didn't read the rest and won't do it.

House Stark did exist at the time, they were the Kings of Winter. Check the wiki for more informations, I also believe he was a Stark and it will play a part in the future Long Night.

Sandor Clegane, Robert Baratheon, Great Jon with their main weapon in the saga, maybe Garlan Tyrell. In history, Arthur Dayne, Barristan in his prime, Daemon I Blackfyre, Aemon the Dragonknight, Maegor I Targaryen.

Cut the crap ! As @Jaenara Belarys said, Jon gave him the choice twice, and Janos chose to throw his offer into his face, both time's insulting him. This is a crime punishable by death in their society, he only did his duty as Lord Commander, he cannot tolerate disobedience. Stannis only burned those who have commited, not innocent soldiers. You don't like Jon, fine, but stop with the bad faith, it makes the discussion toxic. Yes, he was, for the reasons mentioned above. Stop with the bad faith. You would have approved it, if Dany was in Jon's shoes. Thanks again, for making every discussion about Starks toxic.

This doesn't prove that skinchanging or any other magic is hereditary, we have good reasons to think about it but we cannot take it as a fact. The only thing we know for sure is that the Targaryen and their link with dragons is hereditary. Nothing proves that greendreams is hereditary, and as you said he is not a skinchanger or a greenseer, so it's out of subject. Check my first sentence. This is not how probabilities work. Bloodraven said that 1 person in 1000 become a skinchanger, meaning that at each birth, the newborn has 0,1% chance to become a skinchanger, regardless of other births. Due to this independence, you may never find any skinchanger among 1000 births that occur at the same time or having 2-3 skinchangers in the process. Yes, skinchanging can be that rare, because the probability is very small. Also, you have to take the plot into account, the general population and the fact that a skinchanger may never awake his power in his life, it's not an innate ability. Recessive genes can skip generations, even dominant ones, but it's less likely in the second case. Not necessarily. Yeah, there is a link but that doesn't rule out men. Again, that's not how probabilities work.

Could you tell me more about Dyanna Dayne? How she looked like?

Political choice. It's like asking me "Why Ned didn't agree to marry Robb to Alys Karstark?", this doesn't rule out the need to have a father who carries the gene or even that it is less likely. We don't know that either, we only know that Bloodraven is both a skinchanger and greenseer, that's all. Even though I agree with you on this part, this is speculation and not more likely than mine. Nothing shows it. We have male wargs in the saga, this is much better than legends. We are not even sure that skinchanging is hereditary, you can't take it as a fact and try to rule out the need to have a father who carries the gene, based on that and legends.

Yes, he did the right thing, every lord would have done it, Janos included. Stannis approved his decision, end of story. We've talked about long enough, let the haters hate and be done with it.

Well, in this case, he has Blackwood ancestry on both sides, combined to his Stark ancestry. About Bloodraven, his paternal grandmother, Larra Rogare, was likely a cat skinchanger. In fact, she was suspected to use cats as spies, because a lot of them were coming and going in her chambers frequently. Some people even said that she was able to transform herself into a cat, which is a common rumor when people talk about wargs and they (The Wargs) are feared for that. Bad example, we have both males and females skinchangers. This is enough to debunk this claim, you need the skinchanging gene(s) on both sides to be an active skinchanger. Nobody said it on this thread, you are making things up. Same-sex couples cannot have children of their own blood, nothing weird here.

I do think he was conceived via sorcery, but he's still Aegon's son. Aegon I clearly had fertility issues, due to inbreeding in my opinion which explains why he didn't have more kids. Inbreeding is also the cause of the Aenys' sickly condition, if he really was the bastard of Rhaenys and an unknown guy, he would have been a healthy man which is not the case. Aenys' condition was a serious threat to the dynasty and Aegon couldn't produce another child by natural means, so Visenya used sorcery to strenghten Aegon's seed and slept with him in order to give birth to a healthy and strong boy: Chad Maegor was born. But sorcery has a cost and Maegor ended up with his father's fertility issues, bad luck for him and his mother.

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Tommen is the next Waters/Lannister who will die I think, killed by the Sand Snakes. Cersei will crown Myrcella after his death and flee KL, but her daughter will die as well and then the Valonqar will kill Cersei, in accordance with the prophecy. Jaime will die during the future Long Night, maybe Tyrion will join him in the grave but I'm not sure. In any case, Tywin's bloodline will be wiped out or nearly.