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  1. Stannis was reasonable to think that they Joffrey and cia were bastards. They don't look like Robert, Robert's other sons and daughter all seem to look like him, Cersei and Jaime spend much time togheter when Robert is away, Stannis asks for Jon arryn to investigate and the man drops dead, than the most honorable lord in the kingdom and the kings best friend is accused of treason,arrested and beheaded. All of this would make me doubt of Joffrey parentage too. What I find very weird is how long he waits to take action after Eddard is beheaded and how he treats Renly and Catelyn at the parley. Robert gave Storm's End to Renly, it's not like Renly usurped it from him, but Stannis keeps calling it his birth right a talks like Renly stealed it from him. He tells that Storms End does not belong to Renly for him to give, but it kind does. He also call the position of Hand of the King his birth right and he is cleary bitter about the friendship between Robert and Ned even so he left the city and he still has his old position, he go out of his way to treat Catelyn at the same time he is talking about justice. Stannis is cleary ambitious. He knew about the incest but did not told Robert, he wanted the crow and he was cleary afraid and bitter of Renly passing him in the sucession line. For me this became more obvius when he talks about the Dance of the dragons, rhaenyra by law should be skiped in the sucession line by Aegon II, but Viserys made her his heir by testament, still Stannis call her a traitor.
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    Was the second shadowbaby necessary?

    Stannis needed Edric to show that Cersei children were bastards, he couldn't let the Edric go. But Penrose came with a great offer to resolve the situation by single combat, he even let Stannis choose a champion. The Lords around Stannis all think that Penrose is not a great fighter and that killing him in single combat would be easy and prove they cause just. Easy victory and good propaganda.
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    Was the second shadowbaby necessary?

    I have the same impression. Stannis didn't even need to fight Penrose he could name someone else as his champion, The Lords were volunteering themselfs to fight in his name, and one of them even says that it would be a easy victory.
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    Did Edmure save Robb's Life?

    True. But even so Dave Lannister was asking Kevan for reinforcements. If he had more men under his command he would probably bring them instead of asking for reinforces. It's just very weird how everybody ignores Prester's army, and they joining forces with Stafford would make sense.
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    Did Edmure save Robb's Life?

    If the armies of Dave and Forley joined forces at the siege of riverrun, than they were probably together at Oxcross. The Lannist army sieging Riverren if I not mistaken is less than 2k including whatever Jaime brought there(acording to the wikia).
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    Did Edmure save Robb's Life?

    I don't know if this is true so I will leave the link there but I found this interview. If the interview is true then Forley Prester army might have been wiped out together with Stafford. DECEMBER 17, 1999 THE TOOTH AND THE TYROSHI First; did Ser Forley Prester send any part of his 4000 men at the Golden Tooth to Ser Stafford Lannister at Oxcross, in order to augment his host? Or were they all kept at the Tooth by Prester? That's much too big a garrison for a small castle like the Tooth, so I expect that he sent many of them down to Ser Stafford. Blooded veterans to help train the raw green levies... of course, that didn't work out too well... http://www.westeros.org/Citadel/SSM/Entry/1064
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    Did Edmure save Robb's Life?

    I just find it weird that everybody seems to ignore Prester army. Robb somehow knows of Stafford army before he even march, he says he has to deal with them before they are ready, but he ignores Prester. Tyrion when thinking to himself about Robb is very confident that Tywin and Stafford could handle Robb but once again he ignores Prester. When Theon goes to Balon he says that Robb would take the Golden Tooth as something that wouldn't be a problem, he says that with Tywin out the IB could take Casterly Rock or Lannisport. Balon cleary doubts him he made his point about not being able to take Casterly Rock and even when talking about Lannisport he is not sure. In this conversation Stafford's army is once again brought into the table by Theon but Prester is once again ignored.
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    Did Edmure save Robb's Life?

    I find very odd that Stafford host made of green boys didn't join forces with Prester army that was made of veterans from Jaime's campaing. Even more when Tyrion talks about Stafford host as the ace up the Lannisters slip in his dialogue with Cleos Frey. I'm not saying this happend, just seems weird.
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    Did Edmure save Robb's Life?

    On your own quotes Robb does not mention a marriage anywhere, it's Catelyn that comes up with the idea of the marriage. “Not something,” said Catelyn. “Someone.” Robb didn't want to shame Edmure as he praised him in front of his lords just to scold him when alone. He do not need that. A Frey is by no means a bad match for Edmure, they are his strongest bannerman, it's not like Robb is forcing Edmure to marry someone under his status. You're are the one going against Blackfish without any othe character to back you up, only by your feelings on the matter, just like you went against Luwin when I quoted him. It's in the book said by a character that knows about the matter at hand. We don't. False. The Craig was poorly defended as Robb tell us. “I took her castle and she took my heart.,’ Robb smiled. “The Crag was weakly garrisoned, so we took it by storm one night. Black Walder and the Smalljon led scaling parties over the walls, while I broke the main gate with a ram. I took an arrow in the arm just before Ser Rolph yielded us the castle. It seemed nothing at first, but it festered. Jeyne had me taken to her own bed, and she nursed me until the fever passed. And she was with me when the Greatjon brought me the news of... of Winterfell. Bran and Rickon.” He seemed to have trouble saying his brothers’ names. “That night, she... she comforted me, Mother.” Theon had to lure Rodrik out of Winterfell to take it. Sure, because a arrow in the lung that infected is the same as a arrow in the arm that healed well. Robb couldn't take the field in person or enter in combat, but I doubt that he was that bad when he was humping Jeyne. Even if I conced to you that he can't ride he could still take a carriage. Edmure was able to take on Tywin with half his number when he had a good position. I trust more on Blackfish that Edmure. Stannis, Tarly or Robert B. Would also get the same treatment or even more, at least for me. Blackfish and Robb proved to be great generals that pulled off great plans and they worked. Tywin got tricked by Robb in the field at every turn. you presents Blackfish as wrong but you reasons are: 1- they are outnumbered This is a problem but terrain and right position fix this as proved even by Edmure. Also Tywin marching after Robb with his full force would be slower than Robb. Horses kind run faster. 2- They are in the enemy lands and the Westernlands know the land better Robb already scouted the area and prepared the position, he founded paths that even the natives know about. He has a magic wolf to help more, and we have much plenty of exemples of the invaders beating the natives as show by Stannis at the Wall for exemple. 3- your pointed out that Tywin could split up and chase Robb with only his cavalry But them you are turning a 6k vs 20k into a 6k vs 7k...Tywin never risked something like that. 4- Castles will block Robb and catch him but then you imideatly refused the idea of Robb taking several castles even when I showed you the quote to prove it... you said Luwin was talking about Riverrun when he is cleary talking about knews and they already know prior to that, that Robb has freely Riverrun and was crowed there. But you don't provide any quotes for this deny.
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    Did Edmure save Robb's Life?

    A well provised castle with a good garrison. The north took less than 20k men and we hear that castles like hornwood and deepwood mottle are poorly guarded, how much better do you think the westerlands are after Tywin taking more than 35k out of there? GRRM made a very poor job of taking castles serious, Theon took winterfell with 30 men in a night...
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    Did Edmure save Robb's Life?

    English is not my first language but several means more then 3 at the very least right? Also this quote is before Robb even march on the Craig. Stop being stuborn. We already had this discussion on the Balon invading the westerlands topic, we don't have the details of Robb's campaing, we don't know where the locations of the westerlands are. My point is that the Freys alone were able to march back to the riverlands without trouble. Let's play your game. Show me now on the map were is the position that Blackfish took and the 38 castles you claim that surround the place... Sure because only Robb has to eat and sleep while Tywin comand the army of the others and won't stop marching ever...Robb has days maybe weaks of advantage, his troops are all mounted and move faster. The fact that Blackfish is not idiot to trap his army surrounded by enemy forces What is your point here? A minor injury. You act like Robb got the Loras treatment. He was humping Jeyne no long after that. this may surprise you but no, a arrow in the arm won't stop someone to ride a horse. Alexander the great nearly died at the siege of Multan with a arrow in his chest, and even so he was marching again in less than a mounth after that. Robb when is with Catelyn also treats the wound as a minor think.
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    Did Edmure save Robb's Life?

    Robb does not have much strenght to spare. Also he wasn't in a very risk position, the ones doing the most dangerous work there were Smalljon and Black Walder.
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    Did Edmure save Robb's Life?

    That is not a military blunder. Anytime you take a the field you risk your life. He was able to acomplish his goal of taking the castle with very few casualities. Not a blunder.
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    Did Edmure save Robb's Life?

    Yeah, but not a seriously one. Robb took a arrow in the arm and that was it. He was humping Jeyne few days after that.
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    Did Edmure save Robb's Life?

    First as you say Blackfish is very competent. Second he is in the position, and he cleary scouted the place to select it to do the job, third the one person finding secret passages is Robb. Taking a strong defensive position do not require to be Alexander the Great, every decent general can see when a place suits him. Edmure did it when he choose to stop Tywin and he cleary isn't the biggest military mind in the war. Blackfish may not know everything about the Westerlands, but he is there now and he studied the position to do one think, and he is cleary risking his life on this matter, the last time he did it Robb end up with a great victory that pretty much gave him the control to the flow of the war until Edmure made a mess of everything up. I take Blackfish words for it when he says it. He was there, he knew his strenght and Tywins strenght and he was still confident in holding position. You're are criticizing the position without even having a POV in the Westerlands, I'm just taking the word of one of the best generals in the series for it.
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