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    [Book Spoilers] R+L=J, A+J=T and other theories on HBO V.4

    He added to it some later: source
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    [Book Spoilers] R+L=J, A+J=T and other theories on HBO V.4

    Well, you gotta wonder then, why GRRM had Mel establish that the Wall is imbued with powerful magic and why Maester Aemon told us that it has healing and preservative properties. "The fire consumes" part of Aemon's quote fits very well the way in which GRRM describes his "fire wights" as burning away, so I think Aemon is right on the point with the "ice preserves" part as well. And what is it going to serve if not a certain event in which a major character is resurrected at the Wall, right? It's not like if Jon didn't have a dream in which his body is covered by black ice instead of black cloth or black armor. I concede that the idea of his ultimate survival seems strange and unlikely, but for the time being he should be a mostly functioning and relatable human being. There's pretty much no point in telling us his personal story otherwise. GRRM likes to use the Faulkner quote that human heart in conflict is the only thing worth to write about. I see little chance he has decided to swap a major character like Jon with an automaton zombie without memory or ability to feel emotions midway the story. Especially now when it's de facto confirmed that Jon's story is half the key to the heart of the series. As to the second point, I think that GRRM kinda sucks at planning. At this point I doubt he's any better at estimating the scope of his story any better than what a realistic publication date for the next book is.
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    [Book Spoilers] R+L=J, A+J=T and other theories on HBO V.4

    The answer is simple: GRRM introduced the concept of the cold of the Wall keeping Aemon alive and in good health for a reason, just sayin'. The ice of the "magical hinge of the world" (as Melisandre puts it) will balance the worst effects of the kiss of life. Both fire and ice will unite to preserve and resurrect Jon. He will be ultimately nowhere near as damaged as Beric (though still damaged) because of the added factors. It's kinda having a cake and eating it too, but that has always been inevitable since Jon is a major character that is instrumental to the endgame. There's no way he could actually lose most of his memory etc. and still be of any use in the War for Dawn. He's got to remember who is who beyond the small gang around him if he's to be a central player in any way. There's not a snowflake's chance in the hell that Jon/Dany won't happen in the books at this point. What else are supposed to be the "rough strokes of the story" if not the relationship between the two most important characters of the saga?
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    [Book Spoilers] R+L=J, A+J=T and other theories on HBO V.4

    Well, his parentage would be a big deal for him, for Dany, probably for the Stark children. He grew up as a Stark bastard, the realization that he may be a prince in theory should rock his world, his self-image, his opinion on Ned, etc. OTOH I doubt that in the books it will be all that clearcut that he is legitimate. Rhaegar Targaryen already had a wife and polygany had fallen into disuse ages ago (and the annulment BS is impossible in the books). The only one that has allegedly attempted to revive the custom was Daemon Blackfyre, so he could get married to Rohanne of Tyrosh and Daenerys both, which kinda says it all. Jon's claim to legitimacy would be... highly controversial, to say the least. That doesn't mean that Dany won't regard him as a Targaryen all the same, because she doesn't want to be the last one. Other than that, mayhaps D&D thought that having Jon to be revealed to be a bastard of another family would not be a big enough shocker? I mean, I've had plenty of discussions in which people have asked me what's the point of Jon's secret parentage if he's still a bastard. Might be that D&D found the revelation that Jon's legitimacy should be still doubtful similarly underwhelming. On the whole, I agree with you on the wight Jon point. I believe that he will be somewhat different from Beric, but the core of what GRRM says about the undead makes it clear that there is no true coming back from death for anybody. Having Jon return as for most part the same guy would entirely defeat what he has tried to do with Beric - and his point regarding Tolkien and Gandalf the White. Reading through fan discussions, I have usually come across idea that Jon will return more savage, his death will be a convenient loophole to get him from his vows, etc. He's supposed to be the same old Jon, but cooler, and he's supposed to get out of his vows without any moral dilemma... which is just totally missing the heart of GRRM's writing. If our traumatized wolfman wight survives it's imho far more likely that he will hole up in a place like the Nightfort, not wanting to have anything to do with the living, rather than live among crowds in some capital to care for mundane matters of ruling. After all, he wouldn't be the first melancholic Targaryen to react that way, would he? Aegon I was a mostly absentee king that isolated himself on Dragonstone and left the actual job of ruling to his sisters. Aegon III dealt with his childhood trauma by staying in his rooms and not speaking to other people for days. Jon's own bilogical father's favorite pastime was to spend days by squatting at Summerhal not taking much notice of his father's madness etc. Btw, that Jon pets Drogon doesn't mean that he's supposed to be his new master. I mean, if Dany pets Ghost next season, would you take from it that Jon dies and Dany inherits his wolf? Drogon is Dany's spirit animal. He accepts Jon, because Dany's in love with him, although it's a new feeling that she's struggling with. It's true that it shouldn't work that way in the books, but show dragons are different from book dragons. For one, Rhaegal and Viserion seem to follow Dany and Drogon without any trouble to the extent that no other dragonriders are really needed. Also, didn't someone on the show say at one point that their dragons are supposed to cleverer than humans? That's not a thing in the books either.
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    [Book Spoilers] R+L=J, A+J=T and other theories on HBO V.4

    Of course. A leading female character will die so the leading male character can get a fancy sword. What's a female but a prop for her man? She's an object, he's a subject, right? Heh. And of course the male character has to take possession all her 'cool' things as well such like the biggest and most iconic dragon. Btw, if Dany sacrificed herself, then it would not be a betrayal. Just sayin'.
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    [Book Spoilers] R+L=J, A+J=T and other theories on HBO V.4

    The apparent flaw in your argument is that Jon has already been tempted to leave the NW three times, and the third time he finally gave in. Firstly Robb in AGoT, secondly Stannis's offer in ASoS, thirdly Arya in ADwD. He has already broken his oath to the NW - to get assassinated the next moment. After a plot development like this, it doesn't make exactly much sense that he will remain at the Wall as a good little black brother as if nothing of importance had happened. Anyway, the conversation with Aemon is clearly ironic, because Jon Snow there is still a naive teen that thinks that things are simple and clear and will always remain the same, while Maester Aemon who has seen over a hundred years knows better. As of ADwD, we know that Jon ultimately fails in his resolution to keep his vows. That doesn't mean he has to become a king of any sort, but the NW would have little to do with that. He can still serve the Realm, but the NW is narratively out of play. What's the point of pursuing this narrative thread again after it finally reached its climax. The NW was the matter of Jon's first life. His second and third life will be quite different.
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    [Book Spoilers] R+L=J, A+J=T and other theories on HBO V.4

    Eh, I doubt GRRM gave D&D anything more than vague directions like "Sansa will eventually realize the full extent of LF's treachery and have him killed". For that matter, I find it hard to believe that Arya would indeed kill Cersei. I mean, for all that she's on Arya's list, Cersei doesn't really have a personal significance to Arya's story and character development. As opposed to that, Tyrion's, Jaime's, or Sansa's characters have been shaped by their interactions with Cersei (not that I believe that Sansa is the valoquar). Arya killing Cersei would be hugely dramatically unsatisfying. We've seen enough of Arya's killfest, so it would be great to let some other characters kill as well. D&D can be n00bs, but even they should realize that Jaime strangling Cersei should become a much more iconic scene than Arya using her hyperassassin skills yet again on a woman she has never even talked to onscreen before.
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    A+J=T v.9

    Personally, I think that the simplest explanation for Tywin's actions would be that he suspected, but didn't know for sure. Like, Joanna might have behaved strangely during her pregnancy with Tyrion and/or Aerys made some kind of remark after she gave birth, which could have roused his suspicions, but he never would have got a confirmation. He might have lived in uncertainty as to whether Tyrion is his child or Aerys'. That would mean he would not let Tyrion inherit Casterly Rock in a million years, but at the same time he could have felt obligated to care for him and certainly wouldn't kill him (the kinslayer taboo is strong). Just in case, because he simply didn't know.
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    A+J=T v.9

    It doesn't negate what you're saying overall, but IIRC there's no mention of Aerys and Rhaella's children having been deformed in any way. They were stillborn or died shortly after their birth, but there was nothing visibly wrong with them as far as we know. For that matter, the only "naturally" malformed Targaryens we've heard of are Aegon II's six-fingered son and possibly Laena Velaryon's stillborn baby. The lizard-like children are a case for itself and I'd attribute it to the Targaryens's bond with dragons and magic rather than recessive genes or fertility problems brought about by simple inbreeding, which seem to be at fault in Aerys' case. I doubt Tyrion really had a tail (though baby Tyrion's description could work as a meta-hint, I suppose). If Tyrion's dwarfism had anything to do with his parentage, I'm more inclined to believe that Joanna took a moon tea, but instead of aborting the foetus, the tea only damaged it (after all, no birth control works 100%).
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    Would you prefer if Rhaegar won?

    What Elia thinks doesn't have anything to do with it. I'm opposing the idea you proposed that had Rhaegar won, it would have meant a war between Dorne and the North or that Jon and his possible (grand)children might plague the Seven Kingdoms the same way the Blackfyres had. IMO there would be no such war, unless Elia convinces her brothers to preemtively strike first and attack the North (though I'm not sure how would they go about it). Anyway, I took it to mean that in the hypothetical scenario where Rhaegar wins all the other variables stay unchanged, but asuming that Lyanna would survive Jon's birth, then of course she might give birth to a boy with Daemon Blackfyre's qualities. But if she had royal ambitions for him, not only would she have to get rid of Elia's Aegon (and possibly Viserys, too), but also she would have to get out of the way her own first-born, which means either to kill him or force him to join a celibate order here or there, and although we don't know Lyanna's character very well, I would be very surprised to learn she would be willing to go these lengths. I also can't imagine she could rouse Ned to support her in any of this. ETA (just noticed your edit): I think that Jon would be a bastard anyway, since I don't believe that Rhaegar could pull through a polygamous marriage. At most he would have been a legitimized bastard, and people would still accuse him of the "taint" and so on. In fact, I'd say that the version of Jon in AU where Rhaegar won would be much more miserable than the canon Jon in the story we've got. The Westerosi are ever so eager to blame the children for their parents' sins, as the whole business with bastards shows, and Rhaegar and Lyanna fucked up big time.
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    Would you prefer if Rhaegar won?

    Jon Snow is hardly Daemon Blackfyre material. Even if Aegon happened to grow up sickly and weak like Elia, Jon would still be an unlikely alternative for scheming nobles; he has none of Daemon Blackfyre's appeal and doesn't even look like a proper Targaryen, not to mention that little fact that the elopment of his parents (and therefore his conception and birth, in a way) caused a civil war. There would be a huge stain on his name, even if Rhaegar legitimized him. Nor do I think it's in Jon's character to fight his kinsmen over gold and titles. Sure, there's a chance he would have been raised differently, by someone else than Ned (although Ned would still be a likely candidate, IMO), but I just don't see in him the potential. If you're looking for a prince of blood who might attract nobles in case Elia's son proved unsatisfactory or not to their taste, I suggest you look Viserys' way. I imagine he may have grown to be a handsome and charming prince (much like young Aerys), had he not spent most of his life wandering the Free Cities with little support and desperate desire for revenge. As for Jon's hypothetical descendants, it's improbable they would marry high enough to matter or that Jon himself would marry a girl from a particularly important family. Again, sure, Daemon Blackfyre had lacked such ties as well, but as I have said, he had had other advantages: the rumors of his half-brother's illegitimacy his father had spread, his half-brother's unmartial nature and closeness with the Dornish (too hurtful for many so soon after what had transpired during Daeron I's invasion), his own dashing Targaryen looks, his being one of the greatest warriors of his time, the loads of charisma, etc.,... and even then, he and his descendants had ultimately lost everything.
  12. That's because he's touchy about his status. It humiliates him. I doubt that he cares how Jon or any other bastard feels. In fact, I think it's likely he would try to rub Jon's face in his bastardy, now when Ramsay himself is a Bolton and the Lord of Winterfell. I really don't think Thorne has anything to do with it. How would he know about the wildling women and Mance, how would he know about Reek? If anybody other than Ramsay wrote it, it was Mance.
  13. What hint? That he's generally a dick? Also, Ramsay only hates that word when it refers to himself.
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    [Book Spoilers] EP506 Discussion v. 2

    Sometimes I get the feeling that our world is joined with an alternative universe. That's the only sane explanation for some people's opinions.
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    [Book Spoilers] EP506 Discussion v. 2

    http://angrygotfan.com/2015/05/21/a-rape-victim-speaks-out-on-the-sansa-scene/ How about this one?
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