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  1. Raksha 2014

    Problematic aspects of Sansa`s education

    Except that only one of them had to watch their father being executed, endure cruelty and humiliation and abuse as a hostage in the hands of those who killed them, and be coerced into marriage with the most physically grotesque member of the family that held her hostage. That was Sansa. Cersei did get to be Queen; while indulging her love for her brother; so she was having her cake - the rank and prestige of being Queen - while 'eating it' by continuing her forbidden and actually treasonous affair with Jaime. It will be interesting to see if Sansa grows up to be Cersei Lite, or a more practical and savvy Sansa Stark. (that is, if the books are ever finished and Sansa actually lives past the age of 16 or 17.
  2. What a horrible proposition! Let's be glad it did not happen. But...If Joffrey raped Sansa on Sansa's wedding night, not much would change unless Sansa became pregnant. I think Joffrey would have been capable of raping her; he enjoyed seeing Sansa frightened and physically hurt; it could have been a turn-on for him. If Sansa became pregnant by Joffrey, Tyrion would become an even more likely suspect for poisoning Joffrey later. Sansa was physically rather young to have a successful pregnancy and childbirth; she was 12, I think, at the time of her wedding to Tyrion and only recently 'flowered'; she could well have died. Any child she had would have legally been Tyrion's issue; if the child had lived, I doubt it would have been any threat to Joffrey and Margaery's wedding; the Tyrells were determined to make Margaery a queen.
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    Why marry Sansa to Tyrion in particular?

    Tywin views Sansa and Tyrion primarily as pieces on the board of his Great Game of Lannister Family Legacy Advancement. While Tywin does have a personal antipathy towards Tyrion; he isn't about to waste him (or any other Lannister). I doubt that he thought of humiliating or helping Sansa; she was an extremely valuable pawn; the only Stark under his control; and the Stark who could give her husband the claim to Winterfell (sooner rather than later, since Tywin believed that Bran and Rickon and almost certainly Arya were dead and knew that Robb was going to be killed with no heirs). Tywin wanted his own family, preferably one of his own blood, to possess Winterfell through Sansa. Tyrion was the best option. Even if Jaime would have agreed to leave the Kingsguard; Tywin would have wanted him to be the eventual inheritor of Casterly Rock, not be stuck up North at the time of Tywin's own death, possibly barred from claiming the Rock because Winter barred Jaime's way. Tywin could marry off Tyrion to Sansa, send them North after Sansa had borne a son to dispossess the Boltons of Winterfell (via the Iron Throne's decree). If the Boltons prevailed and killed Tyrion; then Tywin would not have lost his most personally valuable Lannister asset (Jaime). Tywin himself might have taken Sansa as a wife; since she was young and could give him children with a claim to Winterfell in their blood. But that would have entailed Tywin having to accompany her up North to claim Winterfell; and Tywin knew he was needed in King's Landing to prop up his grandson's rule. Tyrion is the most logical Lannister husband for Sansa; he is Tywin's son but expendable if the North proves inhospitable; and intelligent enough to have a chance of surviving the skepticism of the North.
  4. Raksha 2014

    Most melancholic and "Human" moments in ASOIAF?

    I really wanted Arya to stay with Lady Smallwood; their time together was beautifully written and seemed a bit of a respite for Arya.
  5. Luckily, Ned has enough kids to make both Northern and Southern alliances through their marriages. I'm assuming that Ned is smart enough to realize that Arya belongs in the North; especially if he arranges a Southern betrothal for Sansa. And that he realizes it would be a good thing, after his own marriage to a Southern noble lady; if the mother of his heir's future son is a daughter of a significant Northern house. Robb - is betrothed to Alys Karstark. It makes a lot of sense. Sansa - is betrothed to Willas Tyrell. House Tyrell and House Stark might be able to help each other during the coming Winter; Highgarden is a place where Sansa could be happy; a wealthy Southern House that does not carry the taint of Lannister cruelty. Bran - is a kid who could be happy almost anywhere; he wants to become a knight, so perhaps he would also do well in the South. Ned could pick between Shireen Baratheon, who could eventually give Bran lordship over Dragonstone; or Myrcella Baratheon (so as to mollify Robert, who might have been annoyed that Ned didn't seek out a betrothal to Joffrey for Sansa); hopefully Robert could eventually give Myrcella and Bran a holding of their own. Arya - is betrothed to Daryn Hornwood (the price for the breaking of the betrothal of Alys Karstark & Daryn Hornwood so that Alys can marry Robb). If that deal falls through; Ned can ask Howland Reed for his son Jojen for Arya (who would probably do very well at Greywater Watch). Rickon - He must stay in the North in case something happens to Robb or Robb's future wife can't produce children. Erena Glover might be a good match for him; she's about his age; but a betrothal can wait at least six or eight years. Lyanna Mormont is also a possibility; though she is five years older than Rickon. Another poster suggested that Jon Snow be betrothed to Mya Stone - I think Ned and Robert might go for that. Mya is a strong and competent young woman who could be happy in the North; and there will be no stigma if she marries another bastard; especially if Robert acknowledges her and gives her a tasteful dowry and Ned finds a holding for Mya and Jon. Mya is three or four years older than Jon; which isn't too big a gap; particularly as Jon ages out of his teenaged years. Maybe Robert could legitimate both of them so they could establish another Stark cadet house (as a sop to Catelyn's outrage at Jon's becoming a Stark, find them a place to live that isn't too close to Winterfell).
  6. Raksha 2014

    Problematic aspects of Sansa`s education

    I hadn't remembered that it was Ned who insisted, after Catelyn received word from Lysa that the Lannisters arranged the death of Jon Arryn, that not only Sansa, but Arya and Bran, accompany Ned to King's Landing. Given that Ned was already distrustful of the Lannister family whose daughter was queen and would be Sansa's eventual mother-in-law; given that his sister-in-law Lysa had just sent them a letter accusing the Lannisters of murdering her husband; the risks of bringing an eleven-year-old daughter, a nine-year-old daughter, and a seven-year-old daughter with him to a royal court far away from his own center of power, a place where he had to know that the Lannisters exerted at least some influence, Ned's decision to bring all three children is more of a dangerous gamble than a solid, lordly plan to advance his House through a strategic marriage. Ned and Catelyn are taking Lysa's accusation seriously. Yet Ned doesn't stop to think that if Jon Arryn, Hand of the King, Lord of the Vale, second most powerful man in Westeros, wasn't safe from the Lannisters' evil plans, his own three children aged seven through a very naive eleven, will be even more vulnerable to harm from the Lannisters? To learn the truth about and possibly avenge the death of his foster-father, Ned is willing to bring three of his children under the influence of the family that he believes killed the man? That's not a strategic gambit; it's an invitation to disaster. Why not just admit he's going to give the Lannisters three potential hostages? Perhaps Ned is thinking of his own father Rickard, who forged a formidable alliance between House Stark and three Southern Great Houses; an alliance that eventually toppled the Targaryen Dynasty. But when Rickard fostered the young Ned out to Jon Arryn and betrothed Lyanna to Robert Baratheon and Brandon to Catelyn Tully, he was not making alliances with families who he had good reason to suspect had murdered his own foster-father; he was dealing with lords he respected. Ned had little choice about accepting the position of Hand of the King to Robert or even accepting the betrothal of Sansa to Joffrey. And it is probably true that he had little to object to in Joffrey during the Baratheon's stay in Winterfell; Joffrey was probably on his best behavior. To have refused the betrothal would have not only aroused the Lannisters' suspicions, it would have been an insult that aroused the king's royal anger at House Stark. But Ned did not have to bring any of his children with him. He could have simply said that Sansa was still too young to leave home; and that he would send for her in a year or two when he (Ned) had proven his worth as the Hand of the King or something like that. No one could really object to that; promising Sansa would come to King's Landing when she was thirteen instead of a childish eleven would not really arouse anyone's suspicions, not to mention leaving his nine-year-old younger daughter and seven-year-old second son at home as well. That would have given Ned time to investigate Lysa's accusation and get a better idea of the royal court's power patterns without endangering his children. And why the heck would Ned want to bring Arya, who is so obviously the antithesis of a refined Southern lady, to King's Landing? He had to know that she would be unhappy there, shut up in the Red Keep and forced to veil her independent spirit much more than if she had stayed in the North? I don't understand why he did not send her back to Winterfell with Lady's body; when Robert would not have cared and Cersei would have been pleased; all Ned had to do was say that Catelyn, already distraught over Bran's condition, had not wanted to part with both her daughters. Lysa's warning of Lannister involvement in Jon Arryn's death makes it even less comprehensible that Ned did not take the time, at least a few weeks I think, after Lady's death, to talk to Sansa at length in an effort to prepare her for the dangers of King's Landing. Ned knew what had really happened between Joffrey and Arya and Mycah and the wolves; Sansa and Arya had both told him the truth before Robert summoned Sansa to testify. Ned saw Sansa plead memory loss, obviously terrified and saddened at being torn between Starks (her family) and Baratheons (her supposed future family since she was betrothed to one). And he saw how his future son-in-law was a cowardly liar who would attack a scared peasant boy just to show off his own rank; and that son-in-law's Lannister mother's own bloodthirsty vindictiveness in wanting Arya punished and then Lady (who had done nothing, wasn't even there) killed and sending Clegane to slaughter the poor peasant boy who was just humoring Arya. Worst of all, perhaps, for Ned, was seeing that his beloved friend Robert, who he had regarded as a brother, who he had trusted, just sit there and allow Cersei to posture, threaten, and kill without mercy. He saw that Robert barely wielded his own royal power and humored Cersei out of annoyance and fatigue. I know that Sansa was broken-hearted after Lady's death, and blamed everyone but Cersei and Joffrey (who were responsible) for it; but why didn't Ned step up as a father and take the only opportunity of time he would have with her before they entered the Red Keep and try to warn her what she could be getting into as the future bride of Joffrey and the future daughter-in-law of Cersei?
  7. Raksha 2014

    Problematic aspects of Sansa`s education

    Exactly! Imagine Margaery Tyrell at 11. Do you think that she would have been allowed to view life as a song, i.e. deriving much of her worldview from the tale of Florian & Jonquil? While the years between eleven and sixteen (when Margaery comes to court to wed Joffrey) account for much of her maturity, I would think that when Margaery was eleven, her grandmother would have noticed what a smart kid she was and started to steer her towards a greater understanding of the 7 Kingdoms and House Tyrell's place in them. Sansa was raised, as her mother's favorite, to yearn for the South, though it was a place she did not truly understand and, as a daughter of House Stark, did not belong. I think Catelyn indulged Sansa's desires to be a fairy-tale Lady in the South; and there's nothing terribly wrong with that; except that Sansa was a daughter of the North and growing up in Winterfell, not Riverrun. Ned doesn't seem to have had much to do with Sansa; Arya is definitely his favorite daughter, and he seems used to talking to her. And yet, we know that Ned loves Sansa. He just doesn't have that much in common with her. I still don't understand why; after Lady is killed and Sansa is miserable, Ned refuses to talk to her because she's angry at him - who's the parent here and who's the child who is misplacing her anger? I think Ned just could not deal with a child who was disappointed in him. And I don't understand why Ned did not sit Sansa down and warn her of the history of the Lannisters, the family into which she was, to some extent, marrying? Not to mention that her future father-in-law, Ned's pal Robert, had rejoiced in the murder of children and had a really bad drinking problem? Doesn't he think it odd that Sansa still admires the Queen who ordered Lady's death? Shouldn't Ned have at least tried to tell Sansa that things are not as they seem, and to look beneath the surface? Why were Sansa and Arya rather spoiled compared to their brothers? Arya thinks nothing, on the journey down South, of skipping the Queen's invitation (which is really rude, even if Cersei is obnoxious) and running off by herself with her wolf to play at swords with her new friend Mycah (which, as we know, gets Mycah and Lady killed). Sansa gets away with keeping Jon at a distance; though she is occasionally kind to him (Jon remembers), she thinks of him as a bastard half-brother rather than a brother; and there is no recollection from any of the characters that anyone (Robb or Ned) tried to tell Sansa to be nicer to Jon. Arya can run around underfoot and scruffy-looking, ignoring all proper etiquette, despite the fact that as the daughter of a great house, she is expected to eventually marry and know how to be hospitable to her husband's bannermen and their wives. As a Northern girl with Winter expected, Sansa should have been taught to be a better rider and know how to shoot an arrow; as well as being taught the depths to which some supposedly noble houses can sink, rather than expect lords and ladies to be as lovely and courteous and noble as figures in a song. The answer is complex. One reason is that Sansa and Arya were still quite young when Robert Baratheon came to Winterfell and changed their lives forever. Sansa was eleven and Arya only nine. I think that Catelyn (who would have been primarily responsible for her daughters' education) thought that she would have plenty of time for her daughters to learn more of the realities of their expected future existences as wives and mothers; including a more realistic view of the world, that life was neither a song nor a playground. I do wonder why Ned, who was a Northerner from a culture where his bannermen's daughters and his own sister had learned to ride and hunt and shoot; did not insist that both Sansa and Arya be taught more than just riding? Possibly because he had spent much of his youth in a Southern domain (the Vale); possibly because he did not want to contradict Catelyn's curricula for her daughters' education. Another reason has to do with both Ned and Catelyn's experiences prior to Sansa's birth: Both Ned and Catelyn had unanticipated responsibilities and tragedies thrust upon them at young ages. In his late teens, Ned lost his father and brother; his head was demanded by the mad king who had killed them; and before he was 20, Ned became Lord Stark, got married, and led men into battle, then found his sister in time for her to demand a promise before she died. And he became a father - twice - and had to lie to his barely known wife. Catelyn lost her mother when she was a child and had to take over her mother's role as chatelaine of Riverrun and authority figure to her younger siblings - a big job for a preteen and teenager. Then her dashing fiance was murdered and she was married off to the man's quiet younger brother who she didn't know at all, who then left her pregnant while he and her father made war on the forces of their king. That's a lot of upheaval in the young lives of Ned and Catelyn; and it both scarred and strengthened them. But I think their experiences made both Ned and Catelyn more desirous of prolonging the childhood of at least their daughters, to let Sansa and Arya remain little girls a little longer and lead the untroubled, sheltered lives that Ned and Catelyn would have liked to have had in their youth. Ned's sense of duty would not allow him to pamper any of his sons; but I think he wanted to let his daughters' childhood be prolonged. Catelyn certainly indulged Sansa's dreamy, occasionally superficial outlook and Arya's roughness and refusal to conform to etiquette. They probably hadn't thought they even needed to think of Sansa's marrying and leaving Winterfell for at least a year or two more; since they had no intention of letting her marry before fifteen or sixteen at the earliest. They thought they had time. But then, as we know; time ran out on the Starks when reality, and the Baratheon-Lannister family, came to Winterfell. To refuse the betrothal of Sansa to their king's son would have been politically and legally dangerous. And even if Catelyn thought she would have had a few weeks to discuss How To Handle Your Bridegroom and His Lannister Relatives with Sansa; she never got the chance, due to Bran's fall and Catelyn's desperation over his condition. I still don't know why Ned did not contradict Catelyn's (terrible) idea of sending Arya to King's Landing with him to be refined into some sort of Southern lady. Ned knew Arya well enough to see that Arya would hate King's Landing and did not want to be a Southern lady; and was born to be a Stark in Winterfell or at least the North. He was already bringing one daughter with him into the lions' den; why on Westeros would he want to bring the other as well?
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    Problematic aspects of Sansa`s education

    I definitely agree that conflict between Sansa and Arya was intensified by Mordane's favoritism of Sansa and relentless put-downs of Arya. I think Mordane must have resented Arya's refusal to be controlled by her. I don't necessarily agree that Mordane's advice to Sansa that "Courtesy is a lady's armor". For a young girl of noble birth who was as gentle as Sansa was, courtesy in all public and/or unexpected circumstances would be useful; and especially for a girl who was to be the future Queen of the Seven Kingdoms. As it turned out, if Sansa had tried standing up for herself (any more than she did) to Joffrey after Ned's death instead of meeting his viciousness with courtesy, she would at least been physically hurt far worse than she was and at the worst been killed. I actually thought that Mordane's words to Sansa about looking for one attractive physical attribute of a new husband on their wedding night made good sense. Contrary to Sansa's naive idea that she was going to marry a living Florian, her parents would have eventually given her some choices that might not have been physically flawless men, and she would have been expected to either pick one (if Ned and Catelyn could have been able to be as generous in the choice of Sansa's bridegroom as they would have liked, had Robert never come north or otherwise demanded Sansa as a bride for Joffrey). Mordane wanted her young, romance-obsessed pupil to not dissolve into fear or loathing on her wedding night; so if the bridegroom might have had a big nose or was balding; hence the advice for Sansa to look for something attractive in the fellow. Neither Mordane nor Sansa could have foreseen her forced marriage to an ugly dwarf with a drinking problem.
  9. I totally agree that Capaldi was a great Doctor who did not get scripts worthy of his talent until the last season. (I also think some of the difficulty in his first two seasons lay in the characterization of Clara - the writers seemed to be much fonder of her than of the Doctor, and were building her up to be as smart and funny as the Doctor, but she wasn't; and it was like the show was Clara, co-starring The Doctor; she had a great death scene and then was magically recalled to life, which felt like a cheat) I thought Bill was an interesting, fun Companion; and would have liked to have seen more of her. I'll also mention that I've liked the 12th Doctor's hair especially this past season; wild and weird, but it fit him as well as the mad guitar-playing. The Christmas special was good, one of the better ones, especially in the last half-hour - a stroke of genius and I did not see the revelation of the Captain's identity coming.
  10. I find it very hard to believe that Lyanna did not send any word to her father about her elopement with Rhaegar. It doesn't make sense; she would have known that Lord Stark and Lord Baratheon would take Lyanna's leaving with Rhaegar as a huge insult and might believe that Rhaegar took her against her will. I think Lyanna could have guessed how angry Brandon would be. True, her having gone with Rhaegar of her own will would not have diminished the insult to Robert (it would have made things worse); but Lyanna's telling her father and brothers what was really going on might have put the Starks in a wait-and-see mode as far as any action taken against House Targaryen, especially if Lyanna reassured them as to her well-being. I think Lyanna might have sent some kind of message, but it was either never delivered or stopped along the way.
  11. Raksha 2014

    What is the worst small council you can come up with?

    Master of Whisperers: Ned Stark Master of Coin: Robin Arryn Master of Ships: Sam Tarly Master of Laws: Cersei Lannister Grand Maester: Sandor Clegane Lord Commander of the Kingsguard: Petyr Baelish a.k.a. "Ser Petyr the Little" Hand of the King: Ser Bronn of the Blackwater
  12. I'm not sure how much interest or allegiance the Northern lords will have in Jon Snow as KiTN when they hear he bent the knee to Daenerys and pledged her the support of the North; and learning that he is the supposed Targaryen heir might make them rethink Sansa Stark's suitability to rule the North, or even little Lyanna Mormont. Also, unless Sam Tarly thought to bring the High Septon's diary containing the crucial entry about the annulment of the Rhaegar/Elia marriage and the secret marriage of Rhaegar & Lyanna, there's no proof beyond the supposed visions of a creepy teenaged boy and the word of Jon Snow's best friend. We saw Sam leave the High Septon's diary in the Citadel; so unless he went back and grabbed it before leaving, I don't think too many people will take the claim of Jon's legitimate Targaryen roots seriously. Even if he's riding Rhaegal; they could assume that Jon cannot be the Targaryen heir, only Lyanna's bastard by Rhaegar.
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    [Spoilers] EP707 Discussion

    Overall, not a bad episode, but not the strongest finale I've seen in the show. When did Sam transcribe the High Septon's entry about annulling Rhaegar's marriage and wedding R + L? Gilly was reading the entry to him and Sam was absolutely uninterested? And does Sam have any proof of the entry's existence, other than Gilly's memory? Will the North, or Daenerys, or the rest of Westeros, ever accept Jon as the righful Targaryen heir based on either his teenaged brother's visions or his best friend's girlfriend's memory of reading a High Septon's diary back in the Citadel? Dany and Jon are going to be very confused... Is Sophie Turner's acting rather stilted in the episode, or is it just me? There's not much emotion registering in her voice and face. And I would have preferred some indication that she and Arya planned the turnabout on Littlefinger, and that Sansa had even talked to Bran, instead of leaving the viewers to connect all the dots. I am celebrating Jaime's Independence Day, Finally! I wish Cersei joy of Euron on his eventual return; they deserve each other. Tormund and Beric are presumably dead? Where's Gendry? Is the final season coming out in 2018 or 2019?
  14. I think Sansa also said that she has not heard anything from Jon since he left Winterfell - which seems to me the height of stupidity on Jon's part. I'm surprised there aren't five or six Stark bannermen and Littlefinger banging on Sansa's door with demands that she marry one of them and make him King of the North, since Jon must be dead or oblivious to the North's needs.
  15. TV-Westeros is about the size of Texas at the largest, maybe more like Great Britain.
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