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  1. hiemal

    Bolton's Burnt Book: Mysterious Reading

    That's compellingly plausible. Love it.
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    A Game of Souls: Beyond Fire and Blood

    A little tinfoil that is woth mentioning but too narrow in interest for its own thread: A Game of Names: Long Night Edition So we have titles for some of the major players in the Lightbringer Incident that I believe ushered in the previous Long Night but few proper names. This could be the effects of time on human memory, as history blends with legend but it could also be because the names would be too... spoilery. I read somehwere, for example, that the words of House Dayne fall into that category so I don't think it's too much of a stretch to include some names from the previous cycle that may be too loaded with hints to reveal (my guess for the Dayne words, btw, is "After the Long Night, the Dawn" so it kind of ties in with today's theme. Two of these names I've discussed elsewhere so just a brief mention of: Rhaellor: Basically, retrofitted R'hlorr with the Targ penchant for names beginning "Rhae...". R'hlorr has a glottal stop in an odd place, I think that R'hlorr is either the Bloodstone Emperor hissownself -or- simply a garbled memory of him. Valerys (or Valerion or possibly even Balerys): This one is even more tenuous (but that's what I do)- but Valyria, Balerion, Viserys to Viserion, and even our own Pole Star, Polaris all factor into this one. I think Valyria is obviously named after this person. Originally I speculated that this is the Amethyst Empress' name and I still think that the most likely case (given of course that it is a name at all) but I think there is also a good chance that this could be Azor Ahai's proper name. Since I have another candidate for that, however, I'm sticking with AE for now. And finally, the new one: Garyen: A few steps here, but I speculate that "Tar"Garyen may mean in some fashion "descended from Garyen" in the same way that "Kar"Stark indicated that the inhabitants of Karhold are of the Stark pack. I don't know what the "Kar" means, but it seems a reasonable guess. Anyways, that could make "Garyen" either the family name of the Gemstone Emperors or the given name of Azor Ahai. "Garion" is the name of the hero in more traditional fantasy series (One I recommend highly to people new to the fantasy genre, younger readers in particular) so I could that either as a nod (which GRRM has done more times than I can count, but not usually with so... mainstream a series?) or just a coincidence. Those are my guesses for the three names I most strongly identify with the Long Night. I'm sure that the name Stark is involved somewhere, but I doubt it will be as a hero- I firmly believe that in those days the words "Winter is Coming" was more threat than warning. That's my wild speculation for the day. Please list any names you think might pop in a history of the Long Night.
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    Bolton's Burnt Book: Mysterious Reading

    Was there ever any doubt? It does seem like a weird way to make that point, but this is GRRM....
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    Poll: Answer 10 mysteries of asoiaf

    1. Dead, but her child Podrick lives on. 2. Lyanna Stark 3. The Green Grace 4. Lyanna Stark 5. Illyrio's son/ Varys' nephew 6. Big Walder 7. Mance 8. Florian the Fool 9. Septon Chayle 10. Son of Valerys, the Amethyst Empress, and Rhaellor, the Bloodstone Emperor, and rider of the dragon Rubilaxes. Or did you mean AA Reborn? Danaerys.
  5. This one is long- but it's been a while. This is from a 12" I haven't listened to in ages- both are very ASoIaF but sooooo long, I actually don't think I'll subject you to all of them. The tale of Tam Lin is pretty widely known, I'm just charmed by his David Tibet's creepy take on folk music. A brief passage: I think of Bran as a kind of Tam Lin, but in truth the B-side is the one I was really thinking of in ASoIaF terms and it's... a weird one. The intro bit is by Tiny Tim who so famously wanted you to tiptoe through the tulips with him. Anyways, this reminds me obviously of Lightbringer, but also of the duality of the Stranger as well what I personally believe are the Yin and Yang so remembered by the Andals of the Amethest Empress and Bloodstone Emperor. Not here to sell it, just explaining why I find this less baphomet-ey androgyne evocative of the Lightbringer Incident and R'hlorr/Night's Queen yadda yadda. Anyways: An acquired taste, I admit.
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    Twinfoil: "Lanns the Clever" and Others

    Good one. And right off the "top" of my head I think that the Wall and the Hightower are both dangerous and ridiculous heights. We've seen a few caves and heard whispers of the mysterious Deep Ones. Many characters reach great heights of power and renown before falling and losing everything. I suspect that Cersei will follow them in their plunges but her burning of the Tower of the Hand makes me think she might start a fires when she impacts like a bomb. She's not one to suffer alone. Exactly- that's how we think naturally as people. As the Red Woman said: ACoK But it's wrong: I think trios are important as a refutation of this kind of thinking. As in Tyrion's monochrome dream after the Battle of the Blackwater even without colors there are shades and shades putting the lie to "black and white". Real life is messy and I think one of the main themes of ASoIaF is upsetting expectations regarding the purity or absolutism of morality and ethics. Things are never as simple as we want or need them to be and so the "dragon has three heads" and so on and so forth.
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    Twinfoil: "Lanns the Clever" and Others

    She is not, and I think that her bitterness at the inequalities she faces is the fuel that feeds her ambitions. If she had been brought up differently would she be soaring or would she have remained grounded as a proper lion should? Bah, I can't for the life of me remember the exact quote but someone remarks that Jaimie was born holding onto Cersei's ankle. Anyways, I agree completely. Oh, interesting! That brings us to the triplets that have been missing. I think Doran, Oberyn, and Elia can be compared with Arianne, Quentyn, and Trystane as well as with Rhaegar, Viserys, and Danerys. And so then it becomes Cersei, Jaimie, Tyrion. Is the ideal Westerosi family 2 boys and a girl? An heir, a spare, and a maiden fair?
  8. I've made a few stabs before at diagnosing what I call the Malady of the Seasons and I wanted to set out what I think is the best and shiniest piece of tinfoil on the topic in its own space for examination, critique, and ridicule (after all, this is pretty deep in the weeds here and tinfoil helmets are recommended field gear) without distraction. In short, I think that the magnetic north pole has been replaced by not one but two competing poles that are the focus of magical instead of magnetic energies- call them the Winter Pole and the Summer Pole. The Summer Pole is not opposite the Winter Pole on the globe, but lies on an imaginary line on the surface of the world roughly halfway to where such a pole would lie (if it exists in any meaningful way). The poles act as focal points for the energies of the nature; fire (the world's tectonic forces redirected and perverted by magic, if I am correct) for Summer and ice (the world's cycle of glaciation and ice ages redirected and perverted by magic) for winter. The Poles represent competing forces that exist in a rough sort of balance as energies gather and are distributed in a way that mirrors the soul activity of the weirwoods network of incoming and outgoing souls that Bran glimpses in his visions but are even less natural and more prone to disaster. Several times in the past there have been cataclysms caused by one of the Poles gathering too much power, creating too great an imbalance, and then things fall apart as the center cannot hold. I believe we see evidence for this in places like K'Dath (the first Land of Always Winter, I believe, and origin of the nefarious and undoubtedly Lovecraftian Deep Ones), Yeen (primal Land of Always Summer and home to the snake/lizard people), Stygai/Asshai, and Valyria. When these cataclysms take place, the magical forces are thrown out of balance and eventually the dominant force achieves the crest of its power (a Long Night or an Eternal Summer) before something acts to bring things back towards balance and a new Pole is created further to the West. This means that the imaginary line between Winter (North/South) and Summer (East/West) moves and the cardinal directions are redefined. I believe this is one of the reasons that there are no magnetic compasses in ASoIaF and characters must resort of a Pole Star for their reckoning: ACoK Ominous, right? Now that the Summer Pole has disappeared in the fiery Doom, Winter is on the rise and a new Pole must be established. Personally, I believe it will on the Isle of Faces in God's Eye and that the new Pole Star will be: ASoS This would make the North into the South, I reckon, which has probably already happened at least once. It is said that the North is the oldest of the Seven Kingdoms, which makes zero sense if folks actually came across the Arm of Dorne and hauled ass from one of the least hospitable kingdoms to settle in the other. Either the climate was different or they didn't actually cross there (or, as I believe, both- but that's another thread). This could, after establishing a new Pole also go a ways towards satisfying Mirri Maz Duur's maddening prophecy (or acid taunt): AGoT On the other hand, perhaps it would be enough to simply destroy the Winter Pole and nature would reassert itself? A few thoughts of the history of Cataclysms and the races involved: I feel that the Deep Ones are one of the prime suspects for agents of infection (magic). They seem to associated with the mutation and perversion of existing lifeforms and K'Dath is described thusly: TWoIaF This fits exactly with Lovecraft's K'Dath, which exists outside of time. Since cyclical time and prophecy are issues at play here I am looking in this direction. Perhaps the Deep Ones (not yet Deep, obviously) created the serpent people as slaves who then rebelled and precipitated the crisis, leaving behind a population to become shrykes. Regardless, I think this is where the Others originally come from, as well- assuming they are not simply a form of alien life with liquid oxygen for blood. Not a lot is known about Yeen, but as I've said I think it was the capital city of the Serpent People, who I believe originally tamed wyverns and firewyrms as instruments of war. I think they were the original "Greenhands" and their cataclysm was an explosion of cancerous fecundity, probably infused with the unwholesome energies of the Deep One's Oily Black Stone that have popped up again and again. I think the Mazemakers were the ancestral form of the Children of the Forest, the Giants, the Lengii, and the Merlings. I think they were wiped out by forced evolution by a combination of the powers of Yeen and the Deep Ones, who essentially split the race into diverse forms, one of which formed a pact with the weirwoods of Westeros and used that power to resist Deep One incursions by sinking parts of their own continent and forcing the Deep Ones into the Deep. Those CotF that were drowned became merlings and their associated weirwoods, underwater but still living, were poisoned by the Deep Ones to become the Drowned God (Oily-Black Stone infused weirwood or Shade of the Evening). The weirwoods seem to have subverted parts of the natural cycle involving souls, life and death, and somehow, the ability to drown continents. Plate tectonics- stolen. No random earthquakes, until the cataclysm anyways.The Horn of Joramun and the Hammer of Waters are of the Children and it may have been them who infused wyverns with the Fires of the Earth and created dragons. Or not- it may have been the Dawnites. It seems certain that they created Dragonriders during the Lightbringer Incident at Stygai that brought about the Long Night but the origins of dragons are less clear. Regardless that cataclysm is the best documented and I think it also created R'hlorr, when the Bloodstone Emperor "downloaded" his mind into the planet's molten mantle and became the "god of flame and shadow", and Night's Queen when the Amethyst Empress died birthing Azor Ahai and came back as something Other. The LB incident probably involved a combination of Dawnite, Deep One, Yeenite, and CotF power. I think Summerhall is a reflection of this. I'm tapped for now. Back when I think of more.
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    Twinfoil: "Lanns the Clever" and Others

    I've always wondered if the Loras/Margery dynamic might have shown us how things could have been if Cersei and Jaimie had popped out in different order- if Cersie didn't feel, at least as keenly, that she was being deprived of her "rights" solely because of her sex. Would she have suggested her brother shave his mane off, lay it at her feet, and put on a white cloak instead? Might she have tapped further into her potential as a human being or would she have simply remained a pawn all of her life?
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    Twinfoil: "Lanns the Clever" and Others

    I keep bringing up the Stranger, btw, because I forgot to mention in the OP that I suspect that the Stranger might be a memory of the AE and BSE's union, with the other members of the Seven being rounded out by previous gemstone Emperors.
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    Twinfoil: "Lanns the Clever" and Others

    ? I haven't seen it- similar plot points?
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    Twinfoil: "Lanns the Clever" and Others

    I don't think skinchangers in general have the same kind of innate soul bond as dragonriders because there are fewer souls going through the Firenet? I think the pool of available souls for dragons is confined pretty much to other dragonriders by design. One of the dualities at least. She seems like a Stranger analog?
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    Twinfoil: "Lanns the Clever" and Others

    The Stranger?
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    Twinfoil: "Lanns the Clever" and Others

    That would be interesting.