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  1. WSmith84

    [Spoilers] Rant and Rave Without Repercussion

    It's not about Cersei treating Jon like shit. It's about the fact that Cersei should not trust Jon Snow from what she knows. She views Ned as an honourable man who would not break his word. And Jon is his son (presumably with the same code of honour). Except, Jon has deserted the Night's Watch, something Ned would never stand for. Therefore, Jon cannot be assumed to be like his father, which was the only reason Cersei might have had to take his word seriously. As for the Northern lords, they didn't question Jon deserting the NW even before they swore fealty to him and were basically telling to f*** off. They brought up Robb's failures, Sansa's marriage to Ramsey and the Ironborn, but not Jon deserting an ancient institution that actually serves a purpose to these people (protecting their lands from wildling raiders). It's madness.
  2. WSmith84

    [Spoilers] Rant and Rave Without Repercussion

    That doesn't really explain why others, such as the Northern lords and Cersei, treat Jon like his shit doesn't stink. Cersei tried to extract an oath from Jon, citing that as Ned's son he'd never betray an oath, while at the same time knowing full well that Jon had abandoned the Wall and been crowned King, thus breaking an oath that is punishable by death.
  3. Perhaps not on paper, but in practice it certainly would. Rhaegar remarrying means that he can have legitimate children, in this case with the daughter of a more powerful, better-connected lord than his first wife. Targaryen history (unless I'm forgetting something) doesn't show a particularly good track record of children of different mothers: the Dance of the Dragons and Maegor the Cruel. Officially, not much would change for Elia's Aegon but there would certainly be a threat that wasn't present before. I'd say that he jeopardised his son's position, even if he was naive enough to believe that he didn't simply because, legally speaking, nothing changed.
  4. WSmith84

    sansa, arya, and dany

    I think there will be some tension between the four of them. Sansa and Arya will likely think that one of the reasons Jon bent the knee is that he was thinking with his penis heart. And, honestly, who's to say they would be entirely wrong? If Jon bending the knee leads to problems, I could see there being some genuine fallout. There might also some tension once it is revealed that Jon is the rightful heir, particularly if Dany mentions that several times during her stay at Winterfell. Of course, there's going to be a lot more fallout between Jon and Sam when Sam finds out his best friend is shagging the woman who killed his brother and father by dragonfire.
  5. WSmith84

    [Spoilers] Rant and Rave Without Repercussion

    Today I watched the first episode with someone new to it all and, apart from the differences in the quality of dialogue and plot, the biggest difference is that the people involved seemed to care so much more back then. There's some genuine effort put into it all, some thought and love for the world and characters. It's just sad to see what the show has become.
  6. She's not a relative of Robert's at all. She's his widow. The throne should presumably have gone to the nearest blood relative. And Cersei's not even attempting to maintain the appearance of a link to the Baratheons (I believe the costume designer said as much). She's crowned herself as a Lannister, her trappings are Lannister, her armies are Lannister...
  7. The only thing that makes me think that they might not be OK with it (in the show) is that the show characters sometimes have some very modern views when it comes to certain things. For instance, very few people in the show seem to care about lines of succession (anymore). I'm sure they will once Jon is revealed to be Rhaegar's heir, but no one seems to have batted an eyelid even though Cersei's on the throne.
  8. But again, the only indication we get in the show about Elia's feelings is that she loved Rhaegar. We hear nothing about her being reluctant to marry him, or wanting to return home.
  9. Sorry, but I'm extremely reluctant to use any information in the books now to determine backstory, motives, explanations in the show because it's been shown to be wrong so many times. The Iron Bank of Braavos funds slavery in the show, polygamy was never apparently a thing in the show, murdering your king and telling everyone about it is OK in the show (Euron/Balon) etc. So now I just consider them completely separate canons and don't use either one as evidence for the other. So I won't accept the prophecy was a motive for show Rhaegar without actual show evidence. Actually, I don't think there's anything in the show that mentions that Elia couldn't have more children anyway.
  10. WSmith84

    Can we talk about Jon?

    I also really disliked how Jon reacted to Mel's advances in the show. In the book, Jon tries not to associate with Mel at all, untangling her arm from his and attempting to keep a distance between them, because of his mistrust in her, particularly in sorcery ('sorcery is a sword without a hilt' and all that). In the show, he's copping a feel and stopping at the last minute because of Ygritte.
  11. WSmith84

    Can we talk about Jon?

    Except it was established that Jon didn't know if the Northern lords would follow him in his decision to bend the knee. Jon needs to ask himself: what will he do if the Northerners (such as his sisters and brother) say 'no' to Daenerys? What will he do if they refuse to bend the knee alongside him? Will he fight against them, lead the armies of Daenerys against the armies of the North? Will he let Dany burn Sansa, Arya and Bran alive like the Tarlys? It's such a fucking stupid decision because Jon had already secured her support to fight the army of the dead. And I guarantee that the Northerners would be a lot more inclined to bend the knee to a Targaryen after she's helped them defeat the army of the dead.
  12. You're bringing a lot of book material into this that was never mentioned in the show. There's been no mention of Rhaegar having any knowledge or interest in prophecies, or needing three heads of a dragon, so to try and understand that as his motivation (in the show) seems sketchy. As for Elia... Well, since we're basing this purely on the show, the only indication that we have is that she loved Rhaegar (per Oberyn). So, in terms of the show, I can't see why she'd agree to this annulment and marriage to another woman. There's no prophecy for her to believe in, she'd have to be a fool not to be afraid of a legitimate child of another woman from a more powerful House and, if she did indeed love Rhaegar, she'd probably be reluctant to lose him. Even if we allow the prophecy as a motive in the show, Elia should still have been reluctant about Rhaegar picking Lyanna. She didn't have to be the mother; any woman could have done. Rhaegar could have gotten himself a tavern wench, knocked her up and legitimised the child. Annulling Elia and marrying Lyanna just causes a political shitstorm and threatens the position of Rhaegar's other children.
  13. WSmith84

    [Spoilers] Rant and Rave Without Repercussion

    Jon and Daenerys... Let's just say that I've seen autopsies with more sexual chemistry. Thank God that scene was brief. Cersei's plan is a bit perplexing. If her intent was to always agree to some kind of fake truce, why bother getting all angry and fake reject it and then have a discussion with Jaime where he tries to change her mind only for her to reject him? Doesn't it defeat the purpose of her plan if Dany and Jon leave before Cersei agrees to the truce? Did she know Tyrion would try to convince her too and was waiting for that? Have I given this more thought than the writers? Probably. Given that the only thing we know about Elia's feelings (in the show) are what Oberyn said about her loving Rhaegar, I'm finding the Rhaegar-Lyanna love story more sickening by the minute. Then we can add the tastelessness of naming Jon after Elia's dead son. Also, I'm now going to have so many conversations with people thinking that the Starks were the bad guys of the Rebellion, because the show apparently can't remember what happened a few episodes ago when they made it clear that Aerys murdering Brandon and Rickard was the issue, not Lyanna.
  14. WSmith84

    Targaryen Morality

    Yes, that was my thinking as well. The minute a King can be deposed legally, there's not much to stop it happening to a lord. Lord Varys' suggestion of removing mad heirs from the line of succession is theoretically sound, at least.
  15. WSmith84

    Targaryen Morality

    Thanks. That (presumably) explains why Rhaegar took so long to do anything about his father once it became clear that he wasn't fit to rule.
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