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  1. WSmith84

    sansa, arya, and dany

    I think there will be some tension between the four of them. Sansa and Arya will likely think that one of the reasons Jon bent the knee is that he was thinking with his penis heart. And, honestly, who's to say they would be entirely wrong? If Jon bending the knee leads to problems, I could see there being some genuine fallout. There might also some tension once it is revealed that Jon is the rightful heir, particularly if Dany mentions that several times during her stay at Winterfell. Of course, there's going to be a lot more fallout between Jon and Sam when Sam finds out his best friend is shagging the woman who killed his brother and father by dragonfire.
  2. She's not a relative of Robert's at all. She's his widow. The throne should presumably have gone to the nearest blood relative. And Cersei's not even attempting to maintain the appearance of a link to the Baratheons (I believe the costume designer said as much). She's crowned herself as a Lannister, her trappings are Lannister, her armies are Lannister...
  3. The only thing that makes me think that they might not be OK with it (in the show) is that the show characters sometimes have some very modern views when it comes to certain things. For instance, very few people in the show seem to care about lines of succession (anymore). I'm sure they will once Jon is revealed to be Rhaegar's heir, but no one seems to have batted an eyelid even though Cersei's on the throne.
  4. WSmith84

    Can we talk about Jon?

    I also really disliked how Jon reacted to Mel's advances in the show. In the book, Jon tries not to associate with Mel at all, untangling her arm from his and attempting to keep a distance between them, because of his mistrust in her, particularly in sorcery ('sorcery is a sword without a hilt' and all that). In the show, he's copping a feel and stopping at the last minute because of Ygritte.
  5. WSmith84

    Can we talk about Jon?

    Except it was established that Jon didn't know if the Northern lords would follow him in his decision to bend the knee. Jon needs to ask himself: what will he do if the Northerners (such as his sisters and brother) say 'no' to Daenerys? What will he do if they refuse to bend the knee alongside him? Will he fight against them, lead the armies of Daenerys against the armies of the North? Will he let Dany burn Sansa, Arya and Bran alive like the Tarlys? It's such a fucking stupid decision because Jon had already secured her support to fight the army of the dead. And I guarantee that the Northerners would be a lot more inclined to bend the knee to a Targaryen after she's helped them defeat the army of the dead.
  6. WSmith84

    Would you prefer if Rhaegar won?

    I woudn't have minded Rhaegar having a mistress if 1) it wasn't done in such a public and humiliating fashion for Elia and 2) it wasn't Lyanna Stark. Come on man, Rhaegar is to be future King. He needs to have better sense than that. Pick some tavern wench, or girl from minor nobility. Not someone whose children will potentially threaten your wife's and not someone who's about to marry one of your LPs.
  7. WSmith84

    Would you prefer if Rhaegar won?

    Well, one is an oaf who probably won't remain faithful, whilst the other is an elegant prince who is being unfaithful to his wife.
  8. WSmith84

    Would you prefer if Rhaegar won?

    I've said this before, but I think it's an important point when criticising the rebels: how much would most lords not in King's Landing even know about Aerys' behaviour? Ned didn't know that Robert, his king and best friend, had turned out the way he did or that the country was financially ruined. So why would Rickard or Jon or Hoster know anything about Aerys' mental state until Harrenhal? I doubt Aerys or the lickspittles surrounding him were telling people 'hey, Aerys is nuts'.
  9. WSmith84

    Would you prefer if Rhaegar won?

    Rhaegar might have been a better king than Robert (not a very high bar really) but he'd have a lot harder situation to deal with post-Trident. He has to pacify the North, Riverlands, Stormlands and Vale and then prevent his father from doing something else insane. There would be a lot of ill-feeling during his reign and I don't know if Rhaegar would have been up to the task.
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    Would you prefer if Rhaegar won?

    I do agree with you JCRB about JonCon. Plenty of Stormlords stayed loyal to Aerys, hell even Stannis had a hard time choosing. So it's very unfair to reduce his decision down to just love. We know JonCon didn't like serving Robert anyway because of his drinking and whoring. JonCon probably had many reasons to choose his king over Robert, with his feelings for Rhaegar just being one of them. I disagree on the insult though. Brandon Stark was clearly enraged by his crowing of Lyanna, and Robert was apparently not pleased. Now, maybe that doesn't mean anything, but one day Rhaegar is going to need those men. They are the LPs of their respective regions; insulting them without good reason is a poor move. Can you really say that Elia wasn't the least bit offended by it either? And just because nobody rebelled over Lyanna, doesn't make Rhaegar's act any less poor. What if he decides to call on the LPs to remove Aerys one day? Are the Starks and Baratheons more or less likely to help him after he ruins their marriage alliance?
  11. WSmith84

    Would you prefer if Rhaegar won?

    But how much would any lord not in King's Landing know about Aerys' behaviour? Ned was Warden of the North and best friend of the King, and he had next to no clue about the general state of the country or Robert's behaviour. So I don't know why we should expect Jon Arryn, Rickard Stark, Mace Tyrell etc. to know about Aerys' crazier behaviour. Most lords were shocked by Aerys' behaviour at Harrenhal, so clearly they didn't know much about his mental state. But let's say Rickard Stark decided that Aerys was insane and had to go. Who would ally with him? Would Jon Arryn go against his King for no reason? Would Robert Baratheon go along with it? Would Rickard's children side with him? And let's say Rickard emerged victorious and deposed Aerys; what guarantee does he have that Rhaegar wouldn't lop off his head for treason, or hand power back to his father? The lords needed Rhaegar, and Rhaegar needed the lords. Without Rhegar, or another royal claimant, a lord can only remove Aerys by rebelling and hoping that his successor agrees with his decision. But Rhaegar could remove Aerys in a relatively bloodless manner, perhaps even totally bloodless. If anything, Aerys going to Harrenhal should have helped Rhaegar; Aerys was displaying his unstable behaviour, for all the greatest lords to see.
  12. WSmith84

    Would you prefer if Rhaegar won?

    What exactly would you have had them do? Rebel?
  13. WSmith84

    Would you prefer if Rhaegar won?

    But they only removed Aerys by rebelling and replacing the Targaryen dynasty. And if you were a lord trying to convince others that Aerys needed removing, wouldn't their response likely be either 'traitor' or 'we need to get Prince Rhaegar onside'. Asking a lord to rebel against his king, with no guarantee that Rhaegar won't attempt to stop him or execute him afterwards, is an enormous thing. And what if Rhaegar simply hands the reins back to his father, assuming his father was still alive? Unless a lord is prepared to full-on rebel, they need Rhaegar. Ned and Bob didn't have much choice; it was fight or die. Arryn could have killed them, refuse and wait to be punished, or rebel.
  14. WSmith84

    Would you prefer if Rhaegar won?

    To be fair, unless the other lords spent much time in the capital, they probably wouldn't know too much about Aerys' madness, at least until Harrenhal. And none of those Lords have the authority or unifying potential that the Crown Prince has. Rhaegar could unify the great lords around him, using his authority as future king to do so. A lord would have to act on behalf of a claimant to the throne, which is far riskier and far less likely to garner support. What if, say, Lord Stark declares to the great lords that he intends to remove Aerys and install Rhaegar as king? That's clear treason, and if he did that before Rhaegar came to the conclusion that Aerys had to go, Rickard would find himself declared a traitor and executed. The lords needed Rhaegar; they needed a claimant to rally around. So it's not quite true to say that the other lords were fine with Aerys' behaviour.
  15. WSmith84

    Would you prefer if Rhaegar won?

    The same kind of people who pushed for Daemon Blackfyre? Jon himself? The ruling Stark Lord? Maybe Dorne strikes the first blow out of fear? People who want to use Jon to further their own interests? Too many to name. I think we'd just be reading about a different war. Rhaegar's only known political actions (Harrenhal, Lyanna Stark) don't depict a good political mind.
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