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  1. WSmith84

    Why was Robert in Vale

    Rickard didn't necessarily intend for Robert and Lyanna's children to become King or Queen in their own right, but a daughter of those two would be a very suitable potential bride for Rhaegar's children, for example. And Robert becoming King naturally was not out of the realm of possibility; Aegon the Unlikely becoming King was, well, more unlikely but it happened. Marrying someone who might (even if it's only a small chance) one day be King seems like a decent bet, particularly when that lord controls an entire region of the continent. Obviously you want to marry your children to your local lords to strengthen your hold over them. Rickard still had two healthy sons to marry off. Lady Dustin even comments on how she might have ended up with Ned Stark had Brandon not died. And if Rickard desired greater influence over the King, marrying his family into other LP families is a good way to do that. Not to mention the fact that Aerys was personally very close to Robert's father. I'm not ruling out the possibility that Rickard planned to rebel, it's just that his actions are not inherently indicative of rebellion.
  2. WSmith84

    Why was Robert in Vale

    Good point. And the Targaryens had married the Baratheons pretty recently, so they clearly had acceptable blood. It's weird, but the idea that Rickard may have actually favoured improving Stark relations with the Targaryens (and maybe even marrying into them, as you suggest) rarely seems to be considered. People generally seem to believe that Rickard had anti-Targaryen sentiments, or at least was wary of them.
  3. WSmith84

    Why was Robert in Vale

    The chance to have Stark-Baratheons rule the Stormlands? That's enormous prestige, not to mention that it would give you much more influence in terms of fellow Lord Paramounts and the King himself.
  4. You're going to have to give us a quote, because I just went through every search result (from AGOT to ADWD) for 'Benjen' and not one of them have to do with guilt, innocence or some such. There's also no mention of it if you search for 'brother' in Ned's PoV. In fact, Ned scarcely thinks or talks about Benjen at all. Sorry, I think you're mistaken on this one.
  5. WSmith84

    Jon & Dany, true identities ***UPDATING***

    Correct me if I'm wrong, but wasn't it Jaehaerys who arranged the marriage between his children, with Aegon actually being against it (but still permitting it)?
  6. WSmith84

    [Spoilers] Rant and Rave Without Repercussion

    It's not about Cersei treating Jon like shit. It's about the fact that Cersei should not trust Jon Snow from what she knows. She views Ned as an honourable man who would not break his word. And Jon is his son (presumably with the same code of honour). Except, Jon has deserted the Night's Watch, something Ned would never stand for. Therefore, Jon cannot be assumed to be like his father, which was the only reason Cersei might have had to take his word seriously. As for the Northern lords, they didn't question Jon deserting the NW even before they swore fealty to him and were basically telling to f*** off. They brought up Robb's failures, Sansa's marriage to Ramsey and the Ironborn, but not Jon deserting an ancient institution that actually serves a purpose to these people (protecting their lands from wildling raiders). It's madness.
  7. WSmith84

    [Spoilers] Rant and Rave Without Repercussion

    That doesn't really explain why others, such as the Northern lords and Cersei, treat Jon like his shit doesn't stink. Cersei tried to extract an oath from Jon, citing that as Ned's son he'd never betray an oath, while at the same time knowing full well that Jon had abandoned the Wall and been crowned King, thus breaking an oath that is punishable by death.
  8. Perhaps not on paper, but in practice it certainly would. Rhaegar remarrying means that he can have legitimate children, in this case with the daughter of a more powerful, better-connected lord than his first wife. Targaryen history (unless I'm forgetting something) doesn't show a particularly good track record of children of different mothers: the Dance of the Dragons and Maegor the Cruel. Officially, not much would change for Elia's Aegon but there would certainly be a threat that wasn't present before. I'd say that he jeopardised his son's position, even if he was naive enough to believe that he didn't simply because, legally speaking, nothing changed.
  9. WSmith84

    sansa, arya, and dany

    I think there will be some tension between the four of them. Sansa and Arya will likely think that one of the reasons Jon bent the knee is that he was thinking with his penis heart. And, honestly, who's to say they would be entirely wrong? If Jon bending the knee leads to problems, I could see there being some genuine fallout. There might also some tension once it is revealed that Jon is the rightful heir, particularly if Dany mentions that several times during her stay at Winterfell. Of course, there's going to be a lot more fallout between Jon and Sam when Sam finds out his best friend is shagging the woman who killed his brother and father by dragonfire.
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    [Spoilers] Rant and Rave Without Repercussion

    Today I watched the first episode with someone new to it all and, apart from the differences in the quality of dialogue and plot, the biggest difference is that the people involved seemed to care so much more back then. There's some genuine effort put into it all, some thought and love for the world and characters. It's just sad to see what the show has become.
  11. She's not a relative of Robert's at all. She's his widow. The throne should presumably have gone to the nearest blood relative. And Cersei's not even attempting to maintain the appearance of a link to the Baratheons (I believe the costume designer said as much). She's crowned herself as a Lannister, her trappings are Lannister, her armies are Lannister...
  12. The only thing that makes me think that they might not be OK with it (in the show) is that the show characters sometimes have some very modern views when it comes to certain things. For instance, very few people in the show seem to care about lines of succession (anymore). I'm sure they will once Jon is revealed to be Rhaegar's heir, but no one seems to have batted an eyelid even though Cersei's on the throne.
  13. But again, the only indication we get in the show about Elia's feelings is that she loved Rhaegar. We hear nothing about her being reluctant to marry him, or wanting to return home.
  14. Sorry, but I'm extremely reluctant to use any information in the books now to determine backstory, motives, explanations in the show because it's been shown to be wrong so many times. The Iron Bank of Braavos funds slavery in the show, polygamy was never apparently a thing in the show, murdering your king and telling everyone about it is OK in the show (Euron/Balon) etc. So now I just consider them completely separate canons and don't use either one as evidence for the other. So I won't accept the prophecy was a motive for show Rhaegar without actual show evidence. Actually, I don't think there's anything in the show that mentions that Elia couldn't have more children anyway.
  15. WSmith84

    Can we talk about Jon?

    I also really disliked how Jon reacted to Mel's advances in the show. In the book, Jon tries not to associate with Mel at all, untangling her arm from his and attempting to keep a distance between them, because of his mistrust in her, particularly in sorcery ('sorcery is a sword without a hilt' and all that). In the show, he's copping a feel and stopping at the last minute because of Ygritte.