Datepalm Posted January 22, 2014 Share Posted January 22, 2014 How old do you actually have to be for personal "better days" nostalgia nowadays? I was a kid in the 90s, when you could put sunscreen on people, and yet it is a stretch to pretend that was a bygone golden era. 80s? Don't think so. 70's? Doubt it. You basically have to go back to the 60s at least, right? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
OnionAhaiReborn Posted January 22, 2014 Share Posted January 22, 2014 I'm nostalgic for a time when there was a much more effective form of children's sunscreen- send them to the fucking coalmine. It was a beautiful un-sunburnt era. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Green Gogol Posted January 22, 2014 Author Share Posted January 22, 2014 How old do you actually have to be for personal "better days" nostalgia nowadays? I was a kid in the 90s, when you could put sunscreen on people, and yet it is a stretch to pretend that was a bygone golden era. 80s? Don't think so. 70's? Doubt it. You basically have to go back to the 60s at least, right? I'm sorry, I'm not sure what point you are trying to make. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Datepalm Posted January 22, 2014 Share Posted January 22, 2014 I'm sorry, I'm not sure what point you are trying to make. No point - I'm genuinely trying to map the temporal nostalgia landscape. I have a compulsive need to map things. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Green Gogol Posted January 22, 2014 Author Share Posted January 22, 2014 No point - I'm genuinely trying to map the temporal nostalgia landscape. I have a compulsive need to map things. Oh, okay, I think nostalgia has to do with your status in life. If you've been married to the same wife for 50 years, with the same job for 50 years, I don't think there is much potential for nostalgia like "oh it was so much better 30 years ago." But things that you can't have anymore would tend to bring nostalgia i'd say. Your childhood. Going to school. The old tv programs you watched when you were a kid. The music played on the radio, etc. So I don't think it is a matter of time, but rather of accessibility. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Durckad Posted January 22, 2014 Share Posted January 22, 2014 I get nostalgic for things from my childhood and adolescence all the time (read: the 90's) so I don't think nostalgia has any bearing on how far removed you are from that era. Your perception may cloud more and more as time passes but nostalgia will always be there.That said, the world WAS NOT better back then. Fill in 'back then' with whatever rosy-colored era you're gazing fondly back on. It was probably different but different is not necessarily better. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Green Gogol Posted January 22, 2014 Author Share Posted January 22, 2014 And I'll quote myself: As for family value era, things are certainly different now than they were when I was a kid. Some things were better, some were not. I has nothing to do with nostalgia. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Datepalm Posted January 22, 2014 Share Posted January 22, 2014 I get nostalgic for 90's stuff too...no, wait, I grew up in Israel in the 90's. I don't....well, maybe the peace process...nevermind...anyway, the point isn't whether there is or isn't some ideal past. This isn't about nostalgia, it's about change and conservatism. There is a difference in values between now and thirty or even ten years ago, and that's great. Yes, more ways of life - family structure, sexuality, gender roles - are at least somewhat more widely accepted. AWESOME. Those that don't like it can continue to whine about it on the internet while society slides away from under them. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Durckad Posted January 22, 2014 Share Posted January 22, 2014 And I'll quote myself: That comment wasn't necessarily directed at just you. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Green Gogol Posted January 22, 2014 Author Share Posted January 22, 2014 That comment wasn't necessarily directed at just you. Wasn't sure, so I didn't take any chances :P Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Shryke Posted January 22, 2014 Share Posted January 22, 2014 Isn't the whole concept of a knight in shining armor coming to the rescue of a helpless maiden, who then falls hopelessly in love with him a bit contrary to feminism? Only if it's always a man rescuing a women. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Shryke Posted January 22, 2014 Share Posted January 22, 2014 Well, when I was a kid, teachers were allowed to pat you on the shoulder. Now, it's forbidden, for fear of being sued for sexual abuse. And my cousin who works with children 4 and 5 years old in the summer is forbidden to put sunscreen on them for the same reason. So you got kids of 4 years old that are asked to put their own sunscreen so they can go play under the sun. Imagine how well that work. And just ask some teachers who have been doing their job for 30 years. 30 years ago, when a child misbehaved and the teacher met the parent, they would punish the child. Nowadays, in the same situation, the parents gets angry with the teacher. It's not out of my beautiful memories of childhood with butterfly and unicorns mind you. It comes from most teachers I know. Of course, it's forbidden now because people physically and sexually abused children back then using the more lenient rules that applied. There never was a "family values era". There was a simply a different time with different problems. And higher crime rates. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Brandon Stark Posted January 23, 2014 Share Posted January 23, 2014 I think it's clear that the solution to all this thread's problems is spray-on sunscreen. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Werthead Posted January 23, 2014 Share Posted January 23, 2014 Wait, what? Ha. There is a widespread perception that Gardens of the Moon is the worst Malazan book. I don't agree, and prefer it to most of the latter half the series (even if they are technically better-written, GotM has a far more involving storyline and situation), but that POV is definitely out there. Colour of MagicLight FantasticEqual RitesFeet of Clay Feet of Clay is a random one to read (it's the sequel to Guards! Guards! and Men at Arms and builds on the characterisation in both), but yeah, the others are the first three books and aren't Pratchett anywhere near his best. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Green Gogol Posted January 23, 2014 Author Share Posted January 23, 2014 Ha. There is a widespread perception that Gardens of the Moon is the worst Malazan book. I don't agree, and prefer it to most of the latter half the series (even if they are technically better-written, GotM has a far more involving storyline and situation), but that POV is definitely out there. Feet of Clay is a random one to read (it's the sequel to Guards! Guards! and Men at Arms and builds on the characterisation in both), but yeah, the others are the first three books and aren't Pratchett anywhere near his best. well then, I'll have to try Guards! Guards! By the way, I'm a third of the way through A Shadow in Summer and I'm loving it. Shryke, I was just jesting, with the knight in shining armor thing... I'm still interested in Malazan. Please, tell me more. What is it like, is it worth to read till the end. Does each book stand alone or it end in cliffhangers? Is it bleak? What's the atmosphere? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Anatúrinbor Posted January 23, 2014 Share Posted January 23, 2014 Ha. There is a widespread perception that Gardens of the Moon is the worst Malazan book. I don't agree, and prefer it to most of the latter half the series (even if they are technically better-written, GotM has a far more involving storyline and situation), but that POV is definitely out there. That's weird, I've almost never seen that. Most people (around here) say book 8, and indeed the latter half of the series are much worse. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Brendan Moody Posted January 23, 2014 Share Posted January 23, 2014 The last few Malazan books may have changed things somewhat, but a few years back the consensus was definitely that Gardens of the Moon was markedly subpar and that people who didn't like it should give Deadhouse Gates a shot anyway. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Green Gogol Posted January 23, 2014 Author Share Posted January 23, 2014 It's just that Malazan is a 10 000 pages endeavour. So I don't want to get into and then be disappointed in the last few books. For me, even if the first 9 books are the best thing in the world, if the last book is bad, the series is not worth it. I guess I got my fingers burned with Wheel of Time, and Lost, and don't want to invest too much in a series again if the end is not worth it. By the way, I gave up on Dance with Dragons. Book 1 was good, book 2 a bit less. Book 3 was great. 4 was horrible, and 5 was not much better. Gave up, went to read the summary of each chapters on the wiki, and was glad I stopped. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Anatúrinbor Posted January 23, 2014 Share Posted January 23, 2014 It's actually much more than 10,000 pages, and the number will continue to go up. Edit: Unless you're only considering the Book of The Fallen and not the rest of the Malazan books. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Green Gogol Posted January 23, 2014 Author Share Posted January 23, 2014 It's actually much more than 10,000 pages, and the number will continue to go up. Edit: Unless you're only considering the Book of The Fallen and not the rest of the Malazan books. I'd rather consider only the Book of the Fallen for the moment. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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