Men of the rivers

[Twenty of House Goodmen]

Anyone else notice the most powerful wizard in Westeros is a Riverman? Or his apprentice is blood of the Rivermen, not the Targ/Stark half breed Jon Snow?

That's because Rivermen are badass. They have their fair share of badass warriors as well.

[Isildur's Mane]

I actually do find Lothar pretty interesting though. One thing I found impressive was how courteous and respectful he is, even when he's planning a murder. Most of the other Freys we meet are a bunch of sniggering chumps (like the three yokels who told Manderly that Robb Stark and his soldiers turned into wolves and had to be killed before they massacred everyone in the Twins).

Yea, he even pushes Hoster Tully's funeral boat down the river with some other bannermen and gives his condolences for what happened at Winterfell. All the while planning with Roose Bolton to kill everyone present.

Dangerous guy. He (cunning, diplomatic, and ruthless), Black Walder (a feared but effective warrior), and Stevron (courageous, good head on his shoulders) are all valuable assets for House Frey, but they're outnumbered by the dumb toadies and craven weasels

It makes you wonder what goes on inside that head of his (Lame Lothar's). It is kind of scary in a way.

Him, Black Walder and Walder Rivers. I had forgotten about Stevron though - I'll have to look him up (there are so many of them!). Is he the heir who got killed?

There are Freys I like though: Olyvar and Fat Walda and the like.

But I forgot Bloodraven! Now, I'd like to know what goes on in his head!

[Mithras]

Bloodraven, Mad Danelle Lothston, Larys Strong, Lucamore the Lusty (he did an incredible job by fathering 16 children as a KG), Hoster Tully (he played the game very well and advanced his family), Blackfish, Tytos Blackwood, Jason Mallister, Ser Willem Darry.

[Torrhen Blackwood]

Bloodraven, Mad Danelle Lothston, Larys Strong, Lucamore the Lusty (he did an incredible job by fathering 16 children as a KG), Hoster Tully (he played the game very well and advanced his family), Blackfish, Tytos Blackwood, Jason Mallister, Ser Willem Darry.

Question: are the Strongs Riverlanders? I don't know. Just curious.

[Mithras]

Question: are the Strongs Riverlanders? I don't know. Just curious.

They ruled Harrenhal for a couple of generations.

[Lord Joker]

Jason Mallister and Tytos Blackwood are two of my favorite characters by far.

[Wmarshal]

They ruled Harrenhal for a couple of generations.

Not to mention were heavily involved with the Targs.

[Blackfish Tully]

He getting healed up at the Crag when Stannis lost. He got married to Jeyne soon after. Stannis lost did not happen before Robb was healed. The Freys were still with the Starks when it happened. Robb and Brynden had Edmure to watch Riverlands for his movement. Again, this whole " you f*ck up Edmure" was just pushing the man to marry the Freys, a house he would never consider on his own, but had to because of the " shame" he brought to himself.

Actually the Battle of Red Fork happened one month before Robb took the Crag so your theory that Robb was injured and would not have been able to fight Tywin is completely wrong.

[Wmarshal]

Actually the Battle of Red Fork happened one month before Robb took the Crag so your theory that Robb was injured and would not have been able to fight Tywin is completely wrong.

The Battle of the Red Ford did not happen a month before, but around the same time, the Riverrun men were celebrating the victory when word got in of Robb's victory came to them. Robb was off on the coast scattered. Another poster already mentioned that Martyn Rivers told Cat that Edmure's orders were to hold Riverrun and Robb's rear. The he was only suppose to hold Riverrun was just a creation of Robb's to get his uncle to marry the Frey for his fuck up.

[Blackfish Tully]

The Battle of the Red Ford did not happen a month before, but around the same time, the Riverrun men were celebrating the victory when word got in of Robb's victory came to them. Robb was off on the coast scattered. Another poster already mentioned that Martyn Rivers told Cat that Edmure's orders were to hold Riverrun and Robb's rear. The he was only suppose to hold Riverrun was just a creation of Robb's to get his uncle to marry the Frey for his fuck up.

check out this timeline if you doubt when the two events happened. http://asoiaf.westeros.org/index.php/topic/84563-most-precise-asoiaf-timeline-in-existence/

It states that the Battle of the Red Fork happened on 8/20 and Robb took the Crag on 9/16 almost a month later.

[Blackfish Tully]

The Battle of the Red Ford did not happen a month before, but around the same time, the Riverrun men were celebrating the victory when word got in of Robb's victory came to them. Robb was off on the coast scattered. Another poster already mentioned that Martyn Rivers told Cat that Edmure's orders were to hold Riverrun and Robb's rear. The he was only suppose to hold Riverrun was just a creation of Robb's to get his uncle to marry the Frey for his fuck up.

"Cat" he said unhappily , "Lord Tywin is coming--"

"He is making for the West , to defend his own lands. If we close our gates and shelter behind the walls, we can watch him pass with safety."

"This is Tully land " Edmure declared. "If Tywin Lannister thinks to cross it unbloodied, I mean to teach him a hard lesson"

Why didn't Edmure simply state that he had orders to protect Robb's rear? because those orders were only for when Robb first went into the West to destroy the army being built there , once that was done there was not a need to protect his rear. Edmure wanted glory and it was actually a really good plan except for the fact that it enabled Tywin to destroy Stannis and pretty much end the war.

[Blackfish Tully]

[Wmarshal]

check out this timeline if you doubt when the two events happened. http://asoiaf.westeros.org/index.php/topic/84563-most-precise-asoiaf-timeline-in-existence/

It states that the Battle of the Red Fork happened on 8/20 and Robb took the Crag on 9/16 almost a month later.

That spread sheet gave no information of the maker knew the Day of the Red Ford was that day. Or when Robb took the Crag, it just says they took those days with no backing.

[Wmarshal]

"Cat" he said unhappily , "Lord Tywin is coming--"

"He is making for the West , to defend his own lands. If we close our gates and shelter behind the walls, we can watch him pass with safety."

"This is Tully land " Edmure declared. "If Tywin Lannister thinks to cross it unbloodied, I mean to teach him a hard lesson"

Why didn't Edmure simply state that he had orders to protect Robb's rear? because those orders were only for when Robb first went into the West to destroy the army being built there , once that was done there was not a need to protect his rear. Edmure wanted glory and it was actually a really good plan except for the fact that it enabled Tywin to destroy Stannis and pretty much end the war.

Because why did he have to? Once Tywin entered Robb would be attacked by Tywin. Martyn Rivers told Cat that while Robb was still in the West, if Edmure's job was done, he would not have said that. Edmure gave him the fight he was ordered to give.

[Blackfish Tully]

That spread sheet gave no information of the maker knew the Day of the Red Ford was that day. Or when Robb took the Crag, it just says they took those days with no backing.

that timeline is pretty detailed so I'm going to trust what it says, it also makes sense , once Robb went to the West he knew that it was only a matter of time before Tywin came after him so it would not make sense for him to be storming the Crag before he made sure that Tywin was not right behind him with an army.

[Blackfish Tully]

Because why did he have to? Once Tywin entered Robb would be attacked by Tywin. Martyn Rivers told Cat that while Robb was still in the West, if Edmure's job was done, he would not have said that. Edmure gave him the fight he was ordered to give.

Edmure was trying to justify why he was attacking Tywin and not once did he bring up needing to protect Robb's rear or the fear that Tywin would trap Robb in the west . Why did he not say these things if they were the reason he was doing it?

Wouldn't Cat have been worried about Robb as well? she knew that Robb and the Blackfish could take care of themselves and Edmure was doing this for his own reasons but she could not stop him.

[Wmarshal]

Edmure was trying to justify why he was attacking Tywin and not once did he bring up needing to protect Robb's rear or the fear that Tywin would trap Robb in the west . Why did he not say these things if they were the reason he was doing it?

Wouldn't Cat have been worried about Robb as well? she knew that Robb and the Blackfish could take care of themselves and Edmure was doing this for his own reasons but she could not stop him.

Because he is a bold self caring lord. Doesn't stop he was doing what he was ordered to do.

I have no idea why Cat did not worry, Edmure was given a job, and did it, was suppose to know his lord who told him nothing wanted him to stop guarding his rear, which he told him to do, because, maybe Robb was planning something, sooo super secret he could not tell the lord of the Riverlands, he had to guess it?

[Blackfish Tully]

Because he is a bold self caring lord. Doesn't stop he was doing what he was ordered to do.

I have no idea why Cat did not worry, Edmure was given a job, and did it, was suppose to know his lord who told him nothing wanted him to stop guarding his rear, which he told him to do, because, maybe Robb was planning something, sooo super secret he could not tell the lord of the Riverlands, he had to guess it?

But why if his orders were to guard Robb's rear wouldn't he simply say that ? maybe because those orders only for when Robb first went into the West and Edmure was on his own with this decision and he was trying to justify that decision.

[Wmarshal]

But why if his orders were to guard Robb's rear wouldn't he simply say that ? maybe because those orders only for when Robb first went into the West and Edmure was on his own with this decision and he was trying to justify that decision.

If they were then Martyn Rivers would never had said that or added on to the orders. Robb's assault was very quick and silent , he needed no rear guard then. And looking back at your quote, it wasn't Edmur justifying his actions, but Cat telling him to run and fear and Edmure giving a brave response.

[Blackfish Tully]

If they were then Martyn Rivers would never had said that or added on to the orders. Robb's assault was very quick and silent , he needed no rear guard then. And looking back at your quote, it wasn't Edmur justifying his actions, but Cat telling him to run and fear and Edmure giving a brave response.

Robb was sneaking into enemy territory to attack a enemy army in an unknown region , he would definitely need a rear guard then so he does not get trapped between two armies. After destroying the army he had total control of the West and would have scouts out looking for Tywin so he would not need protection then.