Aduro Posted June 4, 2014 Share Posted June 4, 2014 Almost every noble house betrayed another noble house.Baratheon betrayed the Targaryens.Stark betrayed the Targaryens.Lannister betrayed the Targaryens.Arryn betrayed the Targaryens.Tully betrayed the Targaryens.Blackfyre betrayed the Targaryens.Martell betrayed the Baratheons.Greyjoy betrayed the Baratheons.Bolton betrayed the Starks.Frey betrayed the Starks.Karstarks betrayed the Starks,Reynes betrayed the Lannisters.Tarbecks betrayed the Lannisters.Etc. Fealty goes both ways though and not all betrayals are equal, under Aerys the Targs had shown no regard for the great lords. Is it betrayal to seek change and justice after your family has been kidnapped and tortured to death for the pleasure of those who you are supposed to be loyal to? The ones who were really treacherous and might need to be wiped out are those who betrayed others for profit or to save their own skins by sacrificing allies like the Boltons and Freys, but even then if you miss a few it can create cycles of revenge. Still they Greyjoys need to go, when a man puts a crown on his head he is saying that he will not accepting men as above him, you need to take the head away and not just the crown to stop them rising up again. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Pigeon Pie Posted June 4, 2014 Share Posted June 4, 2014 Greyjoy? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Lee-Sensei Posted June 4, 2014 Share Posted June 4, 2014 Fealty goes both ways though and not all betrayals are equal, under Aerys the Targs had shown no regard for the great lords. Is it betrayal to seek change and justice after your family has been kidnapped and tortured to death for the pleasure of those who you are supposed to be loyal to? The ones who were really treacherous and might need to be wiped out are those who betrayed others for profit or to save their own skins by sacrificing allies like the Boltons and Freys, but even then if you miss a few it can create cycles of revenge. Still they Greyjoys need to go, when a man puts a crown on his head he is saying that he will not accepting men as above him, you need to take the head away and not just the crown to stop them rising up again. That goes for the Starks and Lannisters too, right? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Lointain Posted June 4, 2014 Share Posted June 4, 2014 Do you even understand the term betrayal or you are confusing Rebellion with Betrayal? A rebellion against a liege lord is always a betrayal. Robert Baratheon betrays his king, by rebelling against him, and taking later his crown. Walder Frey betrays his king (Robb Stark), by betraying him and killing him in a massacre at a wedding. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Lord Joker Posted June 4, 2014 Share Posted June 4, 2014 People do realize, destroying a House means killing the kids, which each House has....right? Kids and woman and even men who have done nothing wrong except follow their Lord's orders. It's weird how people hate on the Frey's, but are ready to kill innocents just because their Lord betrayed someone...which is exactly what they Frey's did...lol Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Nittanian Posted June 4, 2014 Share Posted June 4, 2014 It is more of an Ironborn thing than a Greyjoy thing, the Greyjoys just happen to be the ones in charge at the moment. Wipe them out and another one just as bad will replace them. Hail Squydra Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Winterfell is Burning Posted June 4, 2014 Share Posted June 4, 2014 People do realize, destroying a House means killing the kids, which each House has....right? Kids and woman and even men who have done nothing wrong except follow their Lord's orders. One can simply send the boys to the Wall and marry off the daughters. Besides, we never hear about multiple branches of House Bolton or them being as numerous as the Freys. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Aduro Posted June 4, 2014 Share Posted June 4, 2014 That goes for the Starks and Lannisters too, right? Pretty much, if a person with a crown gives it up odds are they will want to take it back. The exceptions are those ruled under the Targs who's dragons created a huge imbalance of power so the old 7 kingdoms gave up for so long they almost forgot they were kings. Its not surprising that both the North and Lannisters tried to make or control a king so soon after the king on the iron throne became weak and they had an excuse. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
joluoto2 Posted June 4, 2014 Share Posted June 4, 2014 The goddamn Greyjoys have done absolutely nothing to benefit any of the world. All they do is raid, raid, and attempt to conquer, all in vain. The Greyjoys should be wiped of the iron islands, and clean of this world. waste of life. I think the excerpt from World of Ice and Fire mentions that the early Greyjoy lords after the conquest tried to held back pillaging and raiding because obviously their Targaryen lieges didn't like it. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Lee-Sensei Posted June 4, 2014 Share Posted June 4, 2014 The Greyjoys have done great things for the rest of the world. They've given taken them on as thralls and salt wives. Honorable positions. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Fat Mac Posted June 4, 2014 Share Posted June 4, 2014 I don't really think any house should be exterminated. The Boltons and recently the Karstarks keep the North from being one large Stark boner-fest. The Freys, up until recently, haven't done anything to deserve even the thought of annihilation. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
The Others Side Posted June 4, 2014 Share Posted June 4, 2014 The goddamn Greyjoys have done absolutely nothing to benefit any of the world. All they do is raid, raid, and attempt to conquer, all in vain. The Greyjoys should be wiped of the iron islands, and clean of this world. waste of life.you just don't understand. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
RECON828 Posted June 4, 2014 Share Posted June 4, 2014 Whoever's in charge of Skagos. I don't understand why the Starks have never bothered to sail over there and bring them into the fold. Or at least trade with the guys. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Fireandblood94 Posted June 4, 2014 Share Posted June 4, 2014 Wiping out the Greyjoys would send the rest of IB a message. Robert was too soft on them when he defeated them. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Lion of the West Posted June 4, 2014 Share Posted June 4, 2014 Wiping out the Greyjoys would send the rest of IB a message. Robert was too soft on them when he defeated them. Would they? Aegon wiped out the Hoare but we still here of the Ironborn getting down reaving time and again afterwards. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Colonel Green Posted June 4, 2014 Author Share Posted June 4, 2014 The Greyjoys and Arryns don't have liegelords. Simply put, this thread is about Houses that have betrayed and the Starks (along with almost every other House) is in that category. Well, actually, the Greyjoys and Arryns are sworn to the crown. Though in the case of Robert's Rebellion, the crown violated the feudal compact first. My point was not whether they 'deserve' it, the point is that there's a bunch of houses out there who repeatedly betray their lieges are yet are still around for some reason. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Lady of the Falls Posted June 4, 2014 Share Posted June 4, 2014 While I agree the Freys after RW are weasels, it's still Tywin who was the main motivator behind RW. Very unlikly Freys woulda carried out RW without Lannister backing. I agree, so glad LS/Uncat is taking care of that and throwing in Boltons for good measure lol. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Theon {HUNGRY WOLF} Stark Posted June 4, 2014 Share Posted June 4, 2014 The Greyjoys have done great things for the rest of the world. They've given taken them on as thralls and salt wives. Honorable positions. Thralls (slaves in all but names), salt wives (whores to breed children) are honourable positions? I cant even laugh on this rediculous, bullshit statement. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Theon {HUNGRY WOLF} Stark Posted June 4, 2014 Share Posted June 4, 2014 A rebellion against a liege lord is always a betrayal.Robert Baratheon betrays his king, by rebelling against him, and taking later his crown.Walder Frey betrays his king (Robb Stark), by betraying him and killing him in a massacre at a wedding.Betrayal happens from within camps. Did Robert fight for Targs then turned on,them? No. If he had done that then he would have called a traitor. But he, Ned, Jon Arryn, Hoster were called rebels not traitor. It wasnt like Blackfyres attacked from Essos and Vale, North, Riverlands, Stormland were fighting for Blavkfyres. That would have made them traitors. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Aduro Posted June 4, 2014 Share Posted June 4, 2014 Thralls (slaves in all but names), salt wives (whores to breed children) are honourable positions? I cant even laugh on this rediculous, bullshit statement. I'm guessing you haven't had much practice with sarcasm. Also its the rock wives who they birth children on, salt wives are for the iron born to have fun with. Its F***ed up but considering their geography with no food and few resources they don't have much choice but to turn to raiding (although they could have tried fishing more often) and cruel men thrive in those conditions. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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