Ser Walter of AShwood Posted February 19, 2015 Share Posted February 19, 2015 Hmm, Sansa and Aegon.... It could work, if not for the following:His name is fAegon. He's not a Targaryen;LF and Varys are near mortal enemies, no way in the seven hells will they have their protégés marry the other;Sansa has a different game to play. She is no longer yearning for that knight in shining armour to come save her, she will want to be able to save herself and become a major player in Westeros;fAegon will probably not be able to expand his conquest (a lot), he will be unmasked as an imposter quite soon. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
KINGpanther Posted February 19, 2015 Share Posted February 19, 2015 This is hardly rosy- given that Aegon is going to go up against Dany (and this will not end well for him) Sansa marrying him would also not end well for her.We could see a stark backing each claimant- Sansa-Aegon, Arya/Dany, and Rickon/Stannis.It would be suitably tragic and horrible, for the Starks, the claimants, and the Realm (no one is fighting the Others in the middle of this..) especially given all three claimants are not exactly evil or unviable. Which is why I think GRRM would do it. I think Dany/Arya "win" this confrontation then have to deal with the Others over the bodies.Could add another Stark/Targ combo with Bran Stark backing Jon Snow/Targaryen but likly that pair would concentrate on the Others. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
KINGpanther Posted February 19, 2015 Share Posted February 19, 2015 Hmm, Sansa and Aegon.... It could work, if not for the following:His name is fAegon. He's not a Targaryen;LF and Varys are near mortal enemies, no way in the seven hells will they have their protégés marry the other;Sansa has a different game to play. She is no longer yearning for that knight in shining armour to come save her, she will want to be able to save herself and become a major player in Westeros;fAegon will probably not be able to expand his conquest (a lot), he will be unmasked as an imposter quite soon.1, Can still happen2. Yes they are enemies but this whole theory relies on Littlefinger being dead which is very likly.3. Marrying a (supposed) Targaryen who is on a direct course for the throne is a pretty good power play4. Sansa may do the unmasking. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Morgul-Blade Posted February 19, 2015 Share Posted February 19, 2015 Sansa is already married. As a strong(?) theory suggests, Tyrion could be one of the heads of the dragon. If that theory holds up, Sansa is in a pretty powerful position. It's true, as somebody mentioned above, that Sansa no longer wants the Gallant, Handsome Prince - Tryion might well end up pleasing her - and I mean that emotionally. Of course, that marriage could be easily annulled by a "King" so it's not unreasonable to think that Tryion could live, but Aegon/Dany/Stannis/Tommen/etc void that unconsummated marriage. If/when that happens, it will be purely to benefit that "King". I don't see a situation where this would happen, except for perhaps Stannis using Sansa. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Dragon Seed Posted February 19, 2015 Share Posted February 19, 2015 Imo, the day Aegon takes the throne is the day Dany lands in Westeros/Dragonstone, paralleling Aegon coming ashore at Kings Landing the day Harren took up residence in Harrenhall. I like this idea and it could very well happen. We've seen time and time again that history has a way of repeating itself in Westeros. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Lady Blizzardborn Posted February 19, 2015 Share Posted February 19, 2015 sure. he's network is compromised (the kettleblacks) and he's on the edge of givin bronze Yohn a LEGIT reason to kick him out (the anarchy of the riverlands) LF's spy network predates the Kettleblacks. They showed up rather late in the game, while LF has had informants as good as anybody else's as far back as AGoT. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Lady Blizzardborn Posted February 19, 2015 Share Posted February 19, 2015 Hmm, Sansa and Aegon.... It could work, if not for the following: His name is fAegon. He's not a Targaryen; LF and Varys are near mortal enemies, no way in the seven hells will they have their protégés marry the other; Sansa has a different game to play. She is no longer yearning for that knight in shining armour to come save her, she will want to be able to save herself and become a major player in Westeros; fAegon will probably not be able to expand his conquest (a lot), he will be unmasked as an imposter quite soon. 1. The chances on his not being real are 50-50. Until the text says he's not a Targ, he's a Targ. 2. I disagree. We don't know that they are enemies at all, but if they are, what better way to up the gamesmanship than to go head to head like that? It will be like a dance without dragons to see who is truly the greatest player. Varys will win, of course. Which leaves LF with dying. I can live with that. 3. Sansa stands a much better chance of surviving marriage to a king without her girlish dreams, and being queen will give her the ability to become a major player, get out from under LF's power, and determine her own future. 4. Agreed that his conquest won't be huge, but I don't think he'll be unmasked as an imposter. Quite frankly, I'm not sure he is one. Either way he's a goner. But how long he lives yet depends on when Dany gets her dragons to Westeros. If he's "unmasked" at all, it may not be until after he's dead. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
the Scorpion Knight Posted February 19, 2015 Share Posted February 19, 2015 LF's spy network predates the Kettleblacks. They showed up rather late in the game, while LF has had informants as good as anybody else's as far back as AGoT. the kettleblacks are a strike against LF that hurts he lost his direct ear to the regent and the goldcloaks. and not to mention it compromises the father, who knows way too much for LF safety Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Lady Blizzardborn Posted February 20, 2015 Share Posted February 20, 2015 the kettleblacks are a strike against LF that hurts he lost his direct ear to the regent and the goldcloaks. and not to mention it compromises the father, who knows way too much for LF safety So did Dontos. LF didn't have a problem disposing of him. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
the Scorpion Knight Posted February 21, 2015 Share Posted February 21, 2015 So did Dontos. LF didn't have a problem disposing of him. yeah but disposing them is a.) difficult (they'are in king landing in the black cells or in the sept of balor) and b.) a revealing coverup Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Lady Blizzardborn Posted February 21, 2015 Share Posted February 21, 2015 yeah but disposing them is a.) difficult (they'are in king landing in the black cells or in the sept of balor) and b.) a revealing coverup True. I just figure LF would come up with a way if it's necessary. Maybe holding Daddy Kettleblack hostage to keep the boys in line. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
JonCon's Red Beard Posted February 21, 2015 Share Posted February 21, 2015 True. I just figure LF would come up with a way if it's necessary. Maybe holding Daddy Kettleblack hostage to keep the boys in line. I'm quite sure daddy kettleback has already taken all his belongings and get the hell outta there. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
the Scorpion Knight Posted February 21, 2015 Share Posted February 21, 2015 True. I just figure LF would come up with a way if it's necessary. Maybe holding Daddy Kettleblack hostage to keep the boys in line. how? these guys are in dungeon and are being TORTURED. I'm quite sure daddy kettleback has already taken all his belongings and get the hell outta there. considering this guys knows LF i wouldn't surprised if he also didn't rat out LF to the small council. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Lady Blizzardborn Posted February 21, 2015 Share Posted February 21, 2015 how? these guys are in dungeon and are being TORTURED. considering this guys knows LF i wouldn't surprised if he also didn't rat out LF to the small council. As far as I know the only Kettleblack being tortured is the one Cersei slept with. Now let's look at credibility. If, as you say, all three boys are in the dungeons, who is going to believe them? And who is going to believe the father of three criminals? Besides which, Cersei's/Tommen's small council will be gone by the time Aegon takes the throne, and why would Aegon or JonCon or anyone else on that side listen to them? LF left. He'll probably claim it was as soon as he found out there was a true Targaryen he could support. LF is not going to get sunk by House Kettleblack. His end comes either from himself, Sansa, or Varys. I lean toward Sansa using the strangler on him. She still has that hairnet you know. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Lady Blizzardborn Posted February 21, 2015 Share Posted February 21, 2015 I'm quite sure daddy kettleback has already taken all his belongings and get the hell outta there. If he's smart, yes. But is he? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
the Scorpion Knight Posted February 21, 2015 Share Posted February 21, 2015 As far as I know the only Kettleblack being tortured is the one Cersei slept with. Now let's look at credibility. If, as you say, all three boys are in the dungeons, who is going to believe them? And who is going to believe the father of three criminals? Besides which, Cersei's/Tommen's small council will be gone by the time Aegon takes the throne, and why would Aegon or JonCon or anyone else on that side listen to them? LF left. He'll probably claim it was as soon as he found out there was a true Targaryen he could support. LF is not going to get sunk by House Kettleblack. His end comes either from himself, Sansa, or Varys. I lean toward Sansa using the strangler on him. She still has that hairnet you know. and kevan threw the other two in the black cells well if three persons indipendently "sing" the same song. lets be honest hat would raise a good couple of questions. I too don't think The Kettleblack will sink LF but it might/will be a crippling blow to LF. and sansa will land the last nails in the coffin, but I think the one to kill will be Obara sand (the illegitimate daughter of a prince and a whore kills this bastard son a bitch) Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Lady Blizzardborn Posted February 21, 2015 Share Posted February 21, 2015 and kevan threw the other two in the black cells well if three persons indipendently "sing" the same song. lets be honest hat would raise a good couple of questions. I too don't think The Kettleblack will sink LF but it might/will be a crippling blow to LF. and sansa will land the last nails in the coffin, but I think the one to kill will be Obara sand (the illegitimate daughter of a prince and a whore kills this bastard son a bitch) That's almost poetic. I love it! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Musashisamurai Posted February 21, 2015 Share Posted February 21, 2015 First off, I strongly doubt that Littlefinger will ally with Varys-or that Varys would ally with Littlefinger. It would certainly go in with the tragedy that befell the Starks though, especially since I think Rickon/Jon will be on Stannis's side and Arya/Bran as wildcards. Bran and Jon are more linked to the others, but each have links to being dragonriders as well, which personally puts them in with Dany. Anyways, Littlefinger is consolidating bis control over the vale, but he hasn't established himself yet, and he has basically no power in the Riverlands and even less in the North despite Sansa. Even though she's a Stark, I think the true tragedy for her will be when she gets back to rebuild Winterfell, all of the Northmen will despise her (and her southron scheming ways. Not bashing her, but that's how Northmen are). Littlefinger will die the moment he steps foot past the Neck so...Aegon allying to that ship is pretty unlikely. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Musashisamurai Posted February 21, 2015 Share Posted February 21, 2015 Has anyone ever played the board game Diplomacy here? Well, in that game you use your diplomacy skills to propose alliances and strategies, and choose when to lie, backstab, or be honest. Littlefinger is that player who's backstabbed everybody, and united every other player against him. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Renee Sansa Posted April 7, 2015 Share Posted April 7, 2015 You've done a pretty good job! Even though I still suspect Aegon to be a fake, your examples are pretty neat, well done!! The only problem is... It's sounds so much happy-go-lucky. As a lovely speculation it is, I doubt Martin would go down the 'happily ever after' rout. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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