messem Posted April 4, 2015 Share Posted April 4, 2015 MOONDOOR!!! The Moondoor is closed for the rest of this season. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
The Black Adder of Dorne Posted April 5, 2015 Share Posted April 5, 2015 But I think that would be in a later chapter. Something however is obviously going to happen in the tourney. Maybe Harry is killed and it is not Littlefinger but everybody suspects him? Why would anyone suspect LF? In the eyes of the Vale lords, Harry is bringing honour and renewed influence to House Baelish. They think he is LFs meal ticket for trying to maintain influence in the Vale into the next generation. What advantage would they think he would gain from it? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Lord Damian Posted April 5, 2015 Share Posted April 5, 2015 I still have a hard time believing Littlefinger, who was so in love with Cat and is undoubtably in love with Sansa would willingly give her hand to another and sit there in the same castle while the other is bedding her on a wedding night. No way. Not everthing is as it seems with Littlefinger. He went through a lot to get a hold of Sansa and out of the clutches of the Lannisters, risking himself in the process. I think he is obsessed with her and is doing a whole lot of this pagentry, smoke and mirrors for the sole purpose of keeping her distracted from his real intentions in the end. He wants her for himself and he will take her birthright with it if he can but it is her he wants. Make no mistake about it. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Colonel Green Posted April 5, 2015 Share Posted April 5, 2015 I still have a hard time believing Littlefinger, who was so in love with Cat and is undoubtably in love with Sansa would willingly give her hand to another and sit there in the same castle while the other is bedding her on a wedding night. No way. Not everthing is as it seems with Littlefinger. He went through a lot to get a hold of Sansa and out of the clutches of the Lannisters, risking himself in the process. I think he is obsessed with her and is doing a whole lot of this pagentry, smoke and mirrors for the sole purpose of keeping her distracted from his real intentions in the end. He wants her for himself and he will take her birthright with it if he can but it is her he wants. Make no mistake about it. He was fine with her losing her virginity to Tyrion (which didn't happen, of course, but he couldn't have predicted that). He has a very possessive element, as GRRM says, but he also views her as a game piece, and he knows that sex is a valuable tool in the game (he himself got where he is via his relationship with Lysa). Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Segeeth Posted April 5, 2015 Share Posted April 5, 2015 I have a theory that events of the tournament may be Harrenhall tourney v2.0. Handsome young knight, a ward from the Vale with bastards - Harry/Robert.A "father" marrying his daughter for political ambition - Petyr/Rickard.Potentian kadnapper - Shadrick/Rhaegar.Recruitment for the kinsguard (kind of) - Jaime/Sweetrobin's eight.Alayne didn't give Harry her favor at the tourney. I think the man who will get her favor (Lothor Brune perhaps?) will win the tournament and crown her as a queen of love and beauty. And then she'll be taken by Shadrick. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Colonel Green Posted April 5, 2015 Share Posted April 5, 2015 I think the man who will get her favor (Lothor Brune perhaps?) will win the tournament and crown her as a queen of love and beauty. I don't think Brune is likely to compete, except perhaps as someone who will throw some match to advance somebody else Littlefinger wants. There's no real advantage to Littlefinger in one of the eight spots going to someone who's already going to be hanging around, and isn't remotely prestigious (sorry, Lothor!). Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Mithras Posted April 5, 2015 Share Posted April 5, 2015 Harry is slain at the melee on the order of LF by Lyn or someone else. LF tries to rape Sansa in order to impregnate her and pass the child as Harry's not long after Harry's death. Sansa slays the savage giant before he succeeds. Sansa runs away with Shadrich. Chaos reigns at the Vale. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Darkbringer Posted April 5, 2015 Share Posted April 5, 2015 I think that The Mad Mouse will need allies for his attempt on Sansa. Prime suspect would be Corbray, he has a very Darkstarish kind of vibe ATM. I think that the news from KL will force LF to accelerate his plans. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Colonel Green Posted April 5, 2015 Share Posted April 5, 2015 Harry is slain at the melee on the order of LF by Lyn or someone else. LF tries to rape Sansa in order to impregnate her and pass the child as Harry's not long after Harry's death. Sansa slays the savage giant before he succeeds. Sansa runs away with Shadrich. Chaos reigns at the Vale. Nope, none of that makes any sense. First, there is zero advantage to Sansa carrying Harry's supposed bastard baby. Second, the idea of Littlefinger just trying to rape Sansa and dying in the process is just about the lamest possible ending to this story arc, and Littlefinger is not going to be defeated that quickly. He's one of the series' principal villains. And third, there's been way too much setup in the Vale for Sansa's story for her to up and leave. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Mithras Posted April 5, 2015 Share Posted April 5, 2015 Nope, none of that makes any sense. First, there is zero advantage to Sansa carrying Harry's supposed bastard baby. Second, the idea of Littlefinger just trying to rape Sansa and dying in the process is just about the lamest possible ending to this story arc, and Littlefinger is not going to be defeated that quickly. He's one of the series' principal villains. And third, there's been way too much setup in the Vale for Sansa's story for her to up and leave. I disagree with everything you said except the bolded :) :cheers: Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Colonel Green Posted April 5, 2015 Share Posted April 5, 2015 What is the advantage to her carrying Harry's bastard baby? He's already fathered two others. How, after all this setup for political intrigue, unrevealed secrets, etc., is it at all a good finale for Littlefinger to just straight-up try to rape her? What is the point of sending a character whose training is in courtly intrigue on another travelogue through the wartorn country? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Lord Varys Posted April 5, 2015 Share Posted April 5, 2015 Littlefinger is not going to rape Sansa. He could have done that months ago. In fact, since Littlefinger is one of the characters we have never seen into a sexual relationship at all (Lysa excluded, and that was 'duty') I'm pretty sure he can control himself especially in that field. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Harry the Hair Posted April 5, 2015 Share Posted April 5, 2015 "I am praying they fight a duel for my hand, and kill each other.” -Myranda "And may your horse stumble, Harry the Heir, so you fall on your stupid head in your first tilt." -Alayne I call foreshadowing! :P Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Lord Damian Posted April 8, 2015 Share Posted April 8, 2015 He was fine with her losing her virginity to Tyrion (which didn't happen, of course, but he couldn't have predicted that). He has a very possessive element, as GRRM says, but he also views her as a game piece, and he knows that sex is a valuable tool in the game (he himself got where he is via his relationship with Lysa). The Tyrion situation was out of his control. She is in his control now and is a a virgin, that is all that matters to him now + a few financials. trust me, this guy wants it all. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
bemused Posted April 23, 2015 Share Posted April 23, 2015 I still have a hard time believing Littlefinger, who was so in love with Cat and is undoubtably in love with Sansa would willingly give her hand to another and sit there in the same castle while the other is bedding her on a wedding night. No way. Not everthing is as it seems with Littlefinger. He went through a lot to get a hold of Sansa and out of the clutches of the Lannisters, risking himself in the process. I think he is obsessed with her and is doing a whole lot of this pagentry, smoke and mirrors for the sole purpose of keeping her distracted from his real intentions in the end. He wants her for himself and he will take her birthright with it if he can but it is her he wants. Make no mistake about it. I've never been too sure about LF's professed feelings for Cat., and by extension, his feelings for Sansa. All of what he did to bring Ned down, start the whole Lannister - Stark war, caused Cat immeasurable grief and ultimately led to her death. He was punishing her as much as Ned ..perhaps more than anyone. Sansa reminds him of the young Cat, the Cat who betrayed his love. I think he ultimately wants to destroy her as well, projecting his grievances against Cat on Sansa, in much the same way Lysa did, but with more patience and intelligence. So far he's embroiled her in at least 3 murders - Joffrey, Dontos, Lysa - and possibly a fourth, Marillion. If he really wanted her more than anything, with his wealth, he could spirit her away to anywhere in the world and live in comfort. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Lord Damian Posted April 23, 2015 Share Posted April 23, 2015 I've never been too sure about LF's professed feelings for Cat., and by extension, his feelings for Sansa. All of what he did to bring Ned down, start the whole Lannister - Stark war, caused Cat immeasurable grief and ultimately led to her death. He was punishing her as much as Ned ..perhaps more than anyone. Sansa reminds him of the young Cat, the Cat who betrayed his love. I think he ultimately wants to destroy her as well, projecting his grievances against Cat on Sansa, in much the same way Lysa did, but with more patience and intelligence. So far he's embroiled her in at least 3 murders - Joffrey, Dontos, Lysa - and possibly a fourth, Marillion. If he really wanted her more than anything, with his wealth, he could spirit her away to anywhere in the world and live in comfort. he is manipulating her to gain more control over her. Guilt, the feeling of helplessness and dependency are all part of the ploy to control her. Now, he rewards her and gives her some freedom because he thinks he is in control over her and that she is completely devoted to him. That is an illusion that she is allowing him to believe. Meanwhile, I have no doubt she is looking for lifelines to a better life. Littlefinger wants her and the power she brings. Just think, if he plays his cards right (in his mind atleast) The North, The Vale and The Riverlands could be in his grasp. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
bemused Posted April 23, 2015 Share Posted April 23, 2015 he is manipulating her to gain more control over her. Guilt, the feeling of helplessness and dependency are all part of the ploy to control her. Now, he rewards her and gives her some freedom because he thinks he is in control over her and that she is completely devoted to her. That is an illusion that she is allowing him to believe. Meanwhile, I have no doubt she is looking for lifelines to a better life. Littlefinger wants her and the power she brings. Just think, if he plays his cards right (in his mind atleast) The North, The Vale and The Riverlands could be in his grasp. I quite agree about the illusion.. We saw her realize he could be lying to her, too ..and then push that down inside and resolve to be Alayne ... but that doesn't mean she's forgotten. It's what gives me hope for her. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Lord Damian Posted April 24, 2015 Share Posted April 24, 2015 I quite agree about the illusion.. We saw her realize he could be lying to her, too ..and then push that down inside and resolve to be Alayne ... but that doesn't mean she's forgotten. It's what gives me hope for her. He thinks he is playing her perfectly and she is in his absolute control. However, she learned quite a bit on her own in King's Landing, after he left for the Vale and he is greatly underestimating her perceptive capabilities. She is playing him to placate him into an illusion all her own. A mental Dance if you will. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Quentyn Kartell Posted April 24, 2015 Share Posted April 24, 2015 With Harry already having two bastard children, I don't think Alayne is interested in him. I think she's going to pit Ser Harry against Ser Lyn. She knows if she marries Harry, Robert will die. She's going to figure out a way to not marry Harry without it looking like her fault. This is how she keeps control. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Quentyn Kartell Posted April 24, 2015 Share Posted April 24, 2015 he is manipulating her to gain more control over her. Guilt, the feeling of helplessness and dependency are all part of the ploy to control her. Now, he rewards her and gives her some freedom because he thinks he is in control over her and that she is completely devoted to him. That is an illusion that she is allowing him to believe. Meanwhile, I have no doubt she is looking for lifelines to a better life. Littlefinger wants her and the power she brings. Just think, if he plays his cards right (in his mind atleast) The North, The Vale and The Riverlands could be in his grasp.IMO I don't think he wants any of those. He already had the Vale but killed Lysa. He could've killed Robert instead if he truly wanted the Vale. He cant have the Riverlands. That's being held through Edmure Tully and Roslin Frey. If they both die before child birth, the Riverlands go to Brynden Tully. This is why finding the blackfish is so important to the Freys. She definitely can't have the North unless a Tyrion dies and she restakes whatever little claim she may have. What she can do is unite the three "Kings". But one King having control over all three I think is not probable. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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