Alternate History: What is Dorne remained independent

[Ratmancampidori]

What do you think the series would be like if Dorne was still independent at AGOT.

[The silver dragon]

almost nothing would change.

aerys still did not want rhaegar to marry cersei, because he knew tywin would use his new found royal in laws to gain political power.

[Lion of the West]

For one thing there would be an external enemy for Westeros, or just the Reach, to focus on and so energies could be diverted in that direction. Blackfyre would perhaps not have as much support and so on it goes.

[Skinner]

Daeron II would have one less wife.

[Balerion the kitten]

They would have been conquered through force.

After the young dragons failed conquest dorne's armies were severely damaged.

Lots of people were encouraging baelor to continue the war but he offered peace.

No matter what alternative version of ASOIAF history Dorne would be conquered. But instead of being one of the Targaryens most loyal banner they would be their bitter enemy.

It would also mean no Blackfyre rebellion, as that was fuelled by people who hated Dorne and the fact they had lots of power (Queen Mariah Martell, being bannerman but having far more control over their lands than other bannerman, retaining the title of princes and princesses).

And if there was no blackfyre rebellion then there would be no targaryen downfall. If you believe that varys is a blackfyre supporter. So no man whispering whispers of conspiracies into a mad man's ear.

[Ser Lepus]

They would have been conquered through force.

After the young dragons failed conquest dorne's armies were severely damaged.

Lots of people were encouraging baelor to continue the war but he offered peace.

No matter what alternative version of ASOIAF history Dorne would be conquered. But instead of being one of the Targaryens most loyal banner they would be their bitter enemy.

It would also mean no Blackfyre rebellion, as that was fuelled by people who hated Dorne and the fact they had lots of power (Queen Mariah Martell, being bannerman but having far more control over their lands than other bannerman, retaining the title of princes and princesses).

And if there was no blackfyre rebellion then there would be no targaryen downfall. If you believe that varys is a blackfyre supporter. So no man whispering whispers of conspiracies into a mad man's ear.

The Targayren tried to conquer Dorne several times, with and without dragons, and they failed, with heavy casualties; I don't think they would have been conquered.

After the Young Dragon died there were several years of peace: From 161 to 174, the reigns of Baelor I and Viserys II, and the first years of Aegon IV's reign.

Aegon IV tried to attack Dorne, but a storm sank his fleet in 174, and Dorne wasn't damaged. His second attempt, close to the end of his reign (180 to 184, I guess) was a disaster for the Targayren; their army was burnt at the Kingswood due to their own wildfire accidentally igniting.

So Dorne had 23 years to recover from their losses. And Daeron the Good was always opposed to the war against the Dornish, so he probably wouldn't have attacked Dorne even if the Dornish had not accepted joining the Seven Kingdoms.

Daemon Blackfyre would still have rebelled, but he would have enjoyed less support. Or maybe not; the Dornish influence in Daeron's court angered many men, but others probably respected him for peacefully annexing Dorne, so, if Daeron had failed doing that, maybe he would be less respected and have less suport during the civil war.

[Lion of the West]

The Targayren tried to conquer Dorne several times, with and without dragons, and they failed, with heavy casualties; I don't think they would have been conquered.

After the Young Dragon died there were several years of peace: From 161 to 174, the reigns of Baelor I and Viserys II, and the first years of Aegon IV's reign.

Aegon IV tried to attack Dorne, but a storm sank his fleet in 174, and Dorne wasn't damage. His second attempt, close to the end of his reign (180 to 184, I guess) was a disaster for the Targayren; their army was burnt at the Kingswood due to their own wildfire accidentally igniting.

So Dorne had 23 years to recover from their losses. And Daeron the Good was always opposed to the war against the Dornish, so he probably wouldn't have attacked Dorne even if the Dornish had not accepted joining the Seven Kingdoms.

Daemon Blackfyre would still have rebelled, but he would have enjoyed less support. Or maybe not; the Dornish influence in Daeron's court angered many men, but others probably respected him for peacefully annexing Dorne, so, if Daeron had failed doing that, maybe he would be less respected and have less suport during the civil war.

While there wasn't any large scale wars, do we know that the raids also stopped between the Targaryen invasions?

[TheKingoftheSevenKingdoms]

Everything would be different. A lot less support for the Blackfyre rebellion, the Targaryens still continue attempting to invade Dorne, the Targaryens probably still on the Throne or have died out with a new House with a blood descent from the dragons, no Martell blood in the Targ line.

[DanaKz]

Daeron II would have one less wife.

No.

But Maron would.

It was not Mariah, who brought Dorne to Targs, it was Maron. Only after Daeron became a king he made a treaty with Maron and joined Dorne to 7 Kingdoms. Dorne was independent when Mariah married Daeron and stayed independent for whole Aegon IV's reign, and for 2 years more after that.

after assuming the throne was to begin negotiations with his good-brother, Prince Maron, to unify Dorne under Targaryen rule. Two years of negotiation later, an agreement was reached in which Prince Maron agreed to be betrothed to Daeron’s sister, Daenerys, once she was of age. They were wed the following year, and with that marriage, Prince Maron knelt and swore his oaths of fealty before the Iron Throne.

Would Maron decline Daeron's proposition, nothing would change. Targs would still have Martells blood. Daemon Blackfyre would rebel anyway, Dorne-haters would still support him anyway (dornish looking crown prince would still irritate them). Dorne would support their prince's goodbrother and nephew.

Well, probably Daeron would marry his sister to one of his sons, Baelor, for exapmle, and Baelor would have other kids, not Valarr and Matarys.

[DanaKz]

Aegon IV tried to attack Dorne, but a storm sank his fleet in 174, and Dorne wasn't damage. His second attempt, close to the end of his reign (180 to 184, I guess) was a disaster for the Targayren; their army was burnt at the Kingswood due to their own wildfire accidentally igniting.

Yep.

Aegot IV tried to attack Dorne in 174. Baelor Breakspear was born in 170, Maekar was born between 174 and 178. Hence - Targ's Martell blood has nothing to do with Dorne's independence.

Martell's Targ blood on other hand has everything to do with that,

[Wmarshal]

While there wasn't any large scale wars, do we know that the raids also stopped between the Targaryen invasions?

No they didn't in fact the martells under Aliandra openly encouraged her bannermen to raid the seven kingdoms, which makes the who broke the peace talk all the more confusing.