vuk Posted June 14, 2015 Share Posted June 14, 2015 And how does that make what I said not true? And, as vuk pointed out, Stannis is doing the same thing. What I was implying is that Stannis is making some very bold decisions here that could result in the near destruction of his house. It may not be instantaneous, but eventually it could happen, like with the Targaryens. With only living heir burned by his own order, Stan's line is near instantaneous destruction. Baratheon family also except some of Robert's bastards. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
AdesteFideles Posted June 14, 2015 Share Posted June 14, 2015 Burning your sole heir, yeah that would make you a hard sell for other feudal lords. But I m hoping this is a show only thing, and stannis is actually not a participant in shireen's burning in the books. My wishful thinking is that D&D have made stannis a participant in shireen burning on the show to shock and or make stannis turning on melisandre at a later point more dramatic. I could imagine stannis strangling melisandre next season like he did in season 2 (something that wasn't in the books!) while telling her "you made me kill my daughter my heir" but this time he ll go all the way and kill her. I got the impression that at this point ShowStannis has bought in completely to Melisandre's conviction that he is AA reborn. Shireen asks him "aren't you cold?", he says "no" and I think this signifies he has put his doubts aside and, like Mel, he has the LoL keeping him warm. ShowStannis doesn't see himself as "evil" for burning his daughter; he see's himself as someone who has made a sacrifice (in both terms of the word) for the greater good. His final scenes with Shireen are him coming to terms with this decision. He's not trying to justify what he is about to do, he is trying to explain his reasons to her. Whither or not ShowStannis has a change of heart later remains to be seen. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Fury Burns Posted June 14, 2015 Share Posted June 14, 2015 If you are cursed to die sometime terribly in the future because you killed your close kin, no matter the circumstances... doesn't that mean Meera should be hit by a stray arrow from the battle of Winterfell here pretty soon? She killed Jojen, to put him out of his misery, but she killed him all the same Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Rickeen Stark Posted June 14, 2015 Share Posted June 14, 2015 I would point out that he didn't technically kill Renly, that was the Red Woman. He feels guilty but he never really -did- it. I will wait to see if there is any 'greater good' to come from the sacrifice. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Ludo Kressh Posted June 14, 2015 Share Posted June 14, 2015 If you are cursed to die sometime terribly in the future because you killed your close kin, no matter the circumstances... doesn't that mean Meera should be hit by a stray arrow from the battle of Winterfell here pretty soon? She killed Jojen, to put him out of his misery, but she killed him all the same Don't forget Tyrion. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Tooms Posted June 14, 2015 Share Posted June 14, 2015 Stannis will sit the Iron Throne (at some point) It is known Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Spilt Pea Soup Posted June 14, 2015 Share Posted June 14, 2015 Tooms, is your avatar Bieber as Joffrey? Classic. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Tooms Posted June 14, 2015 Share Posted June 14, 2015 Tooms, is your avatar Bieber as Joffrey? Classic. Yes, I was once asked what was worse then Joffrey ... That image was my reply. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Nictarion Posted June 14, 2015 Share Posted June 14, 2015 he still killed his kin it does matter if he broke the laws. that is an old taboo not really a law of any kind. Exactly. Even Victarion knows this. Otherwise Euron would have been dead a long time ago. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
I am a Dragon Posted June 15, 2015 Share Posted June 15, 2015 Don't forget Tyrion. When did Tyrion kill another Targaeryen? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
The Kinkslayer Posted June 15, 2015 Share Posted June 15, 2015 With only living heir burned by his own order, Stan's line is near instantaneous destruction. Baratheon family also except some of Robert's bastards. Bastards aren't family. Robert's claim to the throne passes to some Estermont, or even to a Targaryen Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Ludo Kressh Posted June 15, 2015 Share Posted June 15, 2015 When did Tyrion kill another Targaeryen? I was replying to someone who mentioned that bad things happen to kinslayers and no one mentioned Tyrion, who killed his dad with a crossbow while taking a crap. He hasn't killed a Targaryen, as far as I know. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
I am a Dragon Posted June 15, 2015 Share Posted June 15, 2015 I was replying to someone who mentioned that bad things happen to kinslayers and no one mentioned Tyrion, who killed his dad with a crossbow while taking a crap. He hasn't killed a Targaryen, as far as I know. I was implying that Jaime killed Tyrion's dad Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Ludo Kressh Posted June 15, 2015 Share Posted June 15, 2015 I was implying that Jaime killed Tyrion's dad No, it was Tyrion. Jaime helped Tyrion escape. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
I am a Dragon Posted June 15, 2015 Share Posted June 15, 2015 No, it was Tyrion. Jaime helped Tyrion escape. Nah, Tyrion was only about ten years old at the time. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
A Ghost of Someone Posted June 15, 2015 Share Posted June 15, 2015 Well.......................... Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Florina Laufeyson Posted June 15, 2015 Share Posted June 15, 2015 I was implying that Jaime killed Tyrion's dad That is not canon in the least so cut it out. Well Stannis definitely got what he deserved with that. The killing of his daughter served nothing other than devastation in the show. He knows it and did you notice he seemed more than a little willing to accept it? Brienne didnt kill him and we all know that. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
kimim Posted June 15, 2015 Share Posted June 15, 2015 That is not canon in the least so cut it out. Well Stannis definitely got what he deserved with that. The killing of his daughter served nothing other than devastation in the show. He knows it and did you notice he seemed more than a little willing to accept it? Brienne didnt kill him and we all know that.Do we all know that? I was wondering, and idk, why would she spare him? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Marcus Agrippa Posted June 15, 2015 Share Posted June 15, 2015 If brienne killed him it ruins his whole arc. Idc anymore. We'll know in July. I can't watch next season. Sansa shouldn't surive that fall but she will. Jon will be brought back mel. Theon brienne and pod all go to winterfell Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Pigeon Pie Posted June 15, 2015 Share Posted June 15, 2015 Oh, maaaan.... :lol: Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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