Voramir Glover Posted July 17, 2015 Share Posted July 17, 2015 LOL, I love how people are saying the bad guys are humans because of their corrupt society and ways, but the guys who enslave thousands of the dead and who butcher people for the sake of butchering them (nights watch, fist of first men) are the good guys. First I can't see the problem letting the deads fight for you instead of your livings and second we do not know if they kill people with out any reasons. You are full with prejudices, no wonder you don't like the others. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Lord Ravenstark Posted July 17, 2015 Share Posted July 17, 2015 He already managed that, team Other all the way. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Balerion the kitten Posted July 17, 2015 Share Posted July 17, 2015 First I can't see the problem letting the deads fight for you instead of your livings and second we do not know if they kill people with out any reasons. You are full with prejudices, no wonder you don't like the others.Definition of prejudice - perceived opinion that's not based on reason or actual experience. Try again, because the reasoning we've seen for the others doing what they're doing is for slaughter. It's what we've been told (old nan, who according to GRRM is reliable on her accounts) and its what we've seen. Your the one forming an opinion without any reasoning or any actual past recollection from the books. And seriously? You can't see any reason wrong with enslaving the dead to kill and do things at their wish even if that's not what the dead person wanted? Uh, okay Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Lord Ravenstark Posted July 17, 2015 Share Posted July 17, 2015 Definition of prejudice - perceived opinion that's not based on reason or actual experience. Try again, because the reasoning we've seen for the others doing what they're doing is for slaughter. It's what we've been told (old nan, who according to GRRM is reliable on her accounts) and its what we've seen. Your the one forming an opinion without any dead reasoning or any actual past recollection from the books. And seriously? You can't see any reason wrong with enslaving the dead to kill and do things at their wish even if that's not what the dead person wanted? Uh, okay The Dothraki are murderous, genociding rapists. Yet one of the main characters is one of them, and she wants to do the same to Westeros, and we know she will. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Max of the Magic Friends Posted July 17, 2015 Share Posted July 17, 2015 There can be no forgiveness for that. "The show-makers would do well to reflect on that. Good men and true will fight for David, wrongly believing him the true writer. An Unsullied might even say the same of D.B. But these two who flocked to Emilia Clarke's banners knew her for a usurper. They turned their backs on their rightful king for no better reason than dreams of money and hot babes on the Iron Throne, and we have marked them for what they are. Pardoned them, yes. Forgiven. But not forgotten." Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Balerion the kitten Posted July 17, 2015 Share Posted July 17, 2015 The Dothraki are murderous, genociding rapists. Yet one of the main characters is one of them, and she wants to do the same to Westeros, and we know she will.:rolleyes: posts on this level of nonsense don't deserve any response. Want an argument about dany, go do it on a thread about her. Don't derail one topic with trolling. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Voramir Glover Posted July 17, 2015 Share Posted July 17, 2015 Definition of prejudice - perceived opinion that's not based on reason or actual experience. Try again, because the reasoning we've seen for the others doing what they're doing is for slaughter. It's what we've been told (old nan, who according to GRRM is reliable on her accounts) and its what we've seen. Your the one forming an opinion without any dead rasoning or any actual past recollection from the books. Ok, if you want to judge the Others by the fables of old nan, you are welcome to do so. I'm trying to say that we never saw the things of their point of view. We do not know why they came back after 8000 years. Maybe the humans (Nights Watch, wildlings) pissed them of. Maybe not. We have to less informations to say that the Others are evil. If you call that prejudice, fine. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Lord Ravenstark Posted July 17, 2015 Share Posted July 17, 2015 :rolleyes: posts on this level of nonsense don't deserve any response. Want an argument about dany, go do it on a thread about her. Don't derail one topic with trolling. I don't care about Dany, Jon, Tyrion or any other. Again, I am team Other. The truth is still truth, neverthless. I don't troll. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Balerion the kitten Posted July 17, 2015 Share Posted July 17, 2015 I don't care about Dany, Jon, Tyrion or any other. Again, I am team Other. The truth is still truth, neverthless. I don't troll.Maybe you don't, but that post was a troll post. Ok, if you want to judge the Others by the fables of old nan, you are welcome to do so. I'm trying to say that we never saw the things of their point of view. We do not know why they came back after 8000 years. Maybe the humans (Nights Watch, wildlings) pissed them of. Maybe not. We have to less informations to say that the Others are evil. If you call that prejudice, fine.I call this idea you have of others being "good" bad. Maybe they are, but so far we haven't been told or lead to this conclusion, in fact the opposite. And yes I will take into account old nan's version. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Lord Ravenstark Posted July 17, 2015 Share Posted July 17, 2015 Maybe you don't, but that post was a troll post.I call this idea you have of others being "good" bad. Maybe they are, but so far we haven't been told or lead to this conclusion, in fact the opposite. And yes I will take into account old nan's version. I used of an analogy. Was it any other character and you would barely notice my post. People around these forums could be less devoted to their factionalism. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Alternis Dim Posted July 17, 2015 Share Posted July 17, 2015 He just has to kill Stannis. If he fails, then I literally have no one else to root for. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Balerion the kitten Posted July 17, 2015 Share Posted July 17, 2015 I used of an analogy. Was it any other character and you would barely notice my post. People around these forums could be less devoted to their factionalism. The Dothraki are murderous, genociding rapists. Yet one of the main characters is one of them, and she wants to do the same to Westeros, and we know she will.Your post had nothing to do with the others or this topic, or really my post. If you stopped at the dothraki bit fine I could have let it go, the dany bit had no insight to offer and was only there to piss of dany fans, which I obviously am. But I'm a little bit tired of this "conversation" Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Codename: Nymeria Posted July 17, 2015 Share Posted July 17, 2015 The Dothraki are murderous, genociding rapists. Yet one of the main characters is one of them, and she wants to do the same to Westeros, and we know she will. I used of an analogy. Was it any other character and you would barely notice my post. People around these forums could be less devoted to their factionalism. a·nal·o·gy əˈnaləjē/ noun a comparison between two things, typically on the basis of their structure and for the purpose of explanation or clarification. How in the hell is the above an analogy? What two things are you comparing? 'Dany is as bloodthirsty as her husband and his band of Dothraki savages' is a valid analogy, albeit a really bad one. 'Dany is a Dothraki and is, therefore, bloodthirsty' is a description. There's a difference. Incidentally, I would root for the Others if one of them started wearing sunglasses, Jellies and a Pendleton jacket and started referring to himself as "The Other Dude." Or, y'know, "Other Duder", "His Other Dudeness"... Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Brynden Blackstag Posted July 18, 2015 Share Posted July 18, 2015 With Stannis and Jon probably dead, I'm already rooting for them. (at least in the show) Wasn't that hard rooting for the Undead, being a Vampire Counts player in Warhammer, lol. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
falcotron Posted July 18, 2015 Share Posted July 18, 2015 The problem I have with this ending is that it appears that Long Night 1.0 ended this way -- so ending Long Night 2.0 the same way is just going back to status quo ante and hoping it works this time. For me, that would be a lame ending. But of course, this is GRRM's story and he might find that to be a satisfying ending and might be going that way. It certainly would be consistent with the "there ain't no good guys, there ain't no bad guys -- there's only you and me and we just disagree" approach that GRRM seems to like.I don't know why anyone wouldn't find that satisfying. Well, if it were written badly or didn't follow organically from the story, obviously, but I don't think either of those is a likely danger with GRRM.Also, remember that we're talking about a "temporary" solution that lasted 8000 years. How many things in human history have lasted that long? Normally, either averting a disastrous war, or winning dramatically, gives you a couple generations of peace and prosperity; the First Men got 100x that. I'd call that a huge success. And so would probably everyone in the history of Westeros, except the one generation (out of hundreds) unlucky enough to live in interesting times. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Bawn Posted July 18, 2015 Share Posted July 18, 2015 Easy. Cersei = AA reborn. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
LordStoneheart Posted July 18, 2015 Share Posted July 18, 2015 Only if all the Starks are dead. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
larastone Posted July 18, 2015 Share Posted July 18, 2015 hmm probably not, but i'm 1000% ok with king's landing and the iron throne being burned and destroyed Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
OldGimletEye Posted July 18, 2015 Share Posted July 18, 2015 If Tyrion ends up as king with Dany or Sansa or both as his wives. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Helikzhan Posted July 18, 2015 Share Posted July 18, 2015 Easy. Cersei = AA reborn. Hahah. That would be the finest troll in any written epic ever. I would wet myself laughing about that one for a long time. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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