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  1. Yeah, if I'm right in general, but there is another exception besides Dawn, it's probably Ice. But I don't want this thread to get derailed on a side issue that has nothing to do with Lollygag's original point, as at least two other threads have been in the past, so I started a separate thread for it.
  2. I suspect all of the legendary bronze-age swords of Westeros are just meteoric iron swords, and Dawn is the only one that's in any way magical. These other iron swords would have vastly outclassed the bronze weapons everyone else was using, and would be rare enough to be a big deal, but they'd no longer seem magical after the Andals brought steel, which could explain why they were lost or discarded for Valyrian steel namesakes.
  3. You're assuming that the Casterlys are not background in the Lannister story, but are instead either a story of their own, with their own mysteries, or are the key to the Lannisters. Maybe you're right, but I don't see anything to warrant that assumption. Beyond the handful of core families and the dozens of still important but not major side families, there are hundreds of other families mentioned in the stories, and they do not all have important secrets and mysteries. But at any rate, I know you've already said you have a theory that brings in the Lannisters (who obviously are a major family with important stuff going on) that you're not ready to post yet. So presumably there is some narrative function here that you've found, as opposed to the usual random tinfoil people like to post here where the only answer to "What would be the point?" is "It would make me smart for being the guy to randomly guess it", so I'll wait to see what you've found instead of trying to second-guess it.
  4. The difference is that the Starks, Lannisters, Arryns etc. are established Houses, who follow aristocratic traditions and place great stock in their name and in their historical claims, while the Free Folk don't give a damn about heredity and don't even use last names. The idea that a family would preserve their legendary ancestry for thousands of years while living in a culture that doesn't place any meaning on that ancestry is very different from the idea that the Lannisters would preserve their source of legitimacy for thousands of years while living in a culture where they've continuously relied on that source of legitimacy. The connection to casting molds—as for gold rings—is probably more likely to be relevant. Sure, someone had to be importing and using all that iron than the Iron Islands and half their ancient houses are named for, and using it for cast iron rather than forged or wrought iron, given that the First Men were a bronze age society, but it doesn't seem likely that a royal family famed for owning a gold mine would be named for iron casting, even if they were the ones doing it. Being named for being the source of most of the gold jewelry in Westeros, on the other hand, seems more plausible. Still, I think it's the "noble castellan" meanings, and the "-caster" part of Lancaster, that GRRM had in mind. Two layers really is enough for a minor background family that doesn't have any outstanding mysteries.
  5. The biggest problem with Craster being a Casterly is that the Casterlys have been extinct for thousands of years, and your solution to that is that maybe the entire family—unlike any other family we've heard of—was forced north of the Wall (and continued to call themselves Casterlys even while living as wildlings), and maybe one of the few things we know about Craster (that his father was a Watchman) is actually not true. Also, your main evidence seems to be that Craster sounds kind of like Casterly. But they're real life names that have nothing to do with each other. One means "crow fort" from Old English "cra(i)" plus Latin "(ce)ster", while the other means "from Chastelai, Normandy" (which ultimately means "castle owner") from Norman French.* Of course there are less prominent Casterly families with different etymologies, but none of them are any closer.** It's pretty obvious why GRRM named the character who lives in a fort right outside the Night Watch headquarters "Craster", and why GRRM named the family taking the Lancaster role in his War of the Roses expy "LANnister" of "CASTERly Rock". --- * Obviously the French word for "castle" and the Latin work for "fort" aren't completely unrelated, but they're very, very distant relatives. ** The Norman French words for "castellan" and "castle worker", Irish for "curly-haired" (same name as the more familiar Cassidy), and the English word "caster" (as in someone who casts, e.g., iron, and whose descendant wants a name that sounds like a fancy French nobleman instead of a grubby English workman).
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    GoT Actors in Other Stuff - Part 2

    Yeah, he played Richard I at least twice, but to be fair, he's played just about everyone in English history (starting with Aethlstane, the king before whom there was no such thing as English), so he had to double up somewhere.
  7. In regards to the Critiques of ASOIAF thread. I posted last night "find some common cause" between you and Walda. This morning I reread and realized I was just posting a "lite" version of what you posted, framing it as "can't we all be friends?"

    My apologies for this redundancy...

    Cheers

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    Your favorite 'hateable' character

    This is one thing about Randyll that doesn't bother me too much. It's pretty much the definition of fealty, and feudalism is built on the idea of vassals being loyal to their liege as long as their liege isn't breaking his side of the bargain or committing treason.* And Randyll does seem to be doing it because he takes his feudal obligation deadly seriously, not because it gives him an excuse to be nasty, or because he hopes Mace will kick down some of the rewards. Of course feudalism is not actually a great system, and we have good reason to be more sympathetic to characters who struggle with the inherent evils of the system on their way to redemption, like Jaime and Sandor, than ones who fail to notice those evils, like Randyll (or who revel in them, like Tywin). But it is the system they have, and Randyll doing his job doesn't seem bad to me in the same way as what he did with the prostitute, or Brienne. --- * And Mace wasn't committing treason. Certainly not to Renly, who was dead. Or to Stannis, because he and Randyll had obviously decided Stannis wasn't the rightful king. Slimy? Yes. Evil? Arguably. But not treason, and therefore Randyll's duty is to back it up. Of course if either Mace or Randyll becomes convinced that fAegon, or Dany, is the rightful king, while the other one doesn't, then Randyll considering some action of Mace's to be treasonous becomes a lot more likely…
  9. I honestly think it would have been brilliant to see Sansa trying to decapitate Littlefinger with a sword and taking a dozen blows before he finally died painfully and messily, leaving Sansa covered in blood and shaking in tears and exhaustion. D&D seem to want to show us that vengeance isn't pretty, but they keep undercutting that message the next episode with a fist-pumping "Starks, fuck yeah!" scene every time. This would definitely be "vengeance isn't pretty" rather than "Starks, fuck yeah". But D&D found a way to have their cake and eat it too, by treating Sansa plus Arya together as the "wolf pack" that killed Littlefinger. Which works, and I don't think it's really cheating, but I do still wish they'd done my version.
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    Casterly Rock Why?

    Also, I think he still really, really wants to take Casterly Rock away from Cersei, because he was supposed to be the heir—far more so than he consciously realizes, which may have distorted his judgment a bit.
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    Casterly Rock Why?

    WoIaF says "Legends says that Visenya Targaryen, upon seeing it, thanked the gods that King Loren rode forth to face her brother Aegon on the Field of Fire, for if he had remained within the Rock, even dragonflame would not have daunted him.” But in the novels, Casterly Rock isn't just a castle on top of a mountain, it's a castle carved out of the mountain. The halls and chambers are built by digging out areas around the mineshafts. Even the port is in a cave in the mountain. The only thing on top of the mountain is a small ring for that they use for surveying and scouting. In the show, it's a pretty standard castle, and I don't think it would hold up to a serious dragon attack nearly as well as the one in the books.
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    GoT Actors in Other Stuff - Part 2

    Speaking of Doctor Who, David Bradley (Walder Frey), after playing First Doctor actor William Hartnell in the 50th anniversary docudrama An Adventure in Space and Time, is now playing the actual First Doctor in this year's Christmas special. A friend of mine who doesn't watch GoT regularly wanted to know why Ashildr was impersonating the Doctor at the start of this season. Also, someone posted a list of GoT/DW crossovers earlier, but only included connections from the 2005 series. Most of the older cast members were on the classic (1963-1989) series or involved in the "wilderness years" between 1989-2005 in some way, just because most British actors old enough to play an older person were on the show at some point in its 26+ years. Rather than list them all: Earliest (I think): Julian Glover (Pycelle) playing Richard the Lionheart in The Crusade in 1965 (he's also Scaroth in City of Death, maybe the most famous one-off villain in the classic series, the one who was unstuck in time and secretly had a head made of green spaghetti). Last: RIchard E. Grant (Izembaro) playing the Ninth Doctor in the 2003 animated pilot Scream of the Shalka. Most crossovers: Richard E. Grant (Izembaro), Jim Broadbent (Archmaester Ebrose), and Jonathan Pryce (High Sparrow) as Ninth Doctor, Tenth Doctor, and Master in the 1999 semi-official parody The Curse of Fatal Death. Also, the shortlist for the Eighth Doctor included Jonathan Pryce (High Sparrow), Liam Cunningham (Davos), and Tim McInnerny (Robett Glover).
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    GoT Actors in Other Stuff - Part 2

    Has anyone mentioned DIana Rigg joining Victoria this season? I've only watched the first episode, but it's pretty strange casting. Diana Rigg is basically written as Olenna Tyrell. The real Duchess of Buccleuch was 30 years old, deeply religious, a "lifelong romantic", and an agreeable woman who became Victoria's best friend. It's also the only role I've seen her in since her return from retirement in 2013 (for Doctor Who) where she's basically just playing Olenna. It seems like a waste, given her range. But maybe she'll do more with it in later episodes. I think the only other actor Victoria and GoT have in common is Guy Oliver-Watts, who had a minor recurring role as Sir James Hayter in S1 of Victoria, and was a unnamed Lannister general this year, although I think his scenes were cut from all but the last episode. (Victoria and Doctor Who, on the other hand…)
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    Casterly Rock Why?

    Yeah, people tend to forget that Tyrion has been away from Westeros for a few years, and couldn't possibly know about the amazing strides made in transmat technology. When he left, you could only transmat a single person, and only if he was a kind of small person; now, an entire navy can go from one side of the continent to the other.
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    Your favorite 'hateable' character

    At first glance, he's good, pious man. His god demands daily blood sacrifice, and he obliges. And he tries to cause maximum suffering while sacrificing as many people as possible. And taking over the Brave Companions and hiring out to people like Tywin is a good way to serve those goals, while also carrying the glory (and imagery) of the Black Goat to new lands. But the Black Goat wants children more than adults, and Vargo's killing mostly adults. And noble sons should also be a priority, but he lets Jaime (well, 90% of him) go free. So, I don't think he's actually as devout and holy as he appears. And really, if he were faithful, would the Black Goat have abandoned him and done nothing to help defend Harrenhal when the Mountain attacked?
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