Every chicken in this place.

[A Ghost of Someone]

It seems to me the show has pre-empted HtH and whatever happens to him to take him out of the running (perhaps)? But it's a low blow to their Sansa character to have her be Mrs. Ramsey. From what I barely was able to stomach from the San Diego Comic Con, Turner expressed her opinion that Sansa would roll with the punches and be stronger. Still, it irritates me no end how the character of Sansa Stark has turned out on the show. I practically root for Littlefinger to screw her over and kill her. Completely not my opinion on the book character.  :worried:

 

Ah, back to chickens . . . I do expect that MeriBrother will spout the famous broken men speech. Someone needs to comment on all the tragedy that has occurred in Westeros. It's been High Tragedy, if not High Fantasy.

 

Then I hope that somehow, TWoW will bring the plot back together succinctly and give some much need HOPE for the future that ASOIAF and GoT has lacked for the past, what? From nearly AGoT or S01. There needs to be at least a few uplifting moments to deliver us all into the final . . . bittersweetness. Cause all we got right now, imo, is BITTER. 

I adore Sophie but she actually has or had no idea what they were or are going to do to her next. She though is smart enough to know that GOT is her big break and will not bite the hand nor burn the bridge. She is kinda trapped into towing the line of "we are a team".

[Spilt Pea Soup]

Yes. There is a secret conspiracy of everyone involved. They secretly hate D&D and the show just as much as you do. They just know better than to say anything. Please. They are actors. They get paid to recite lines in front of a camera. Without the show, no one would likely know who they are, so of course they are happy with it. I don't think many of them give three figs for the book purist crap peddled around here.

[Ser Friendzoned]

Yes. There is a secret conspiracy of everyone involved. They secretly hate D&D and the show just as much as you do. They just know better than to say anything. Please. They are actors. They get paid to recite lines in front of a camera. Without the show, no one would likely know who they are, so of course they are happy with it. I don't think many of them give three figs for the book purist crap peddled around here.

 

Spot on. They are good actors and they do love the fans and theories. But at the end of the day, they will take their paycheck and go with the flow (as they should) in order to keep their jobs.

[Spilt Pea Soup]

As does George. Who may actually have a legitimate beef, depending on what arrangements were made, if any, and how they have been honored, or not.

We don't and probably never will know what goes on behind closed doors between him and the show.

[Le Cygne]

She seemed to be falling for HTH and that bothered me but agreed, Ramsay is a monster in a class all to his own except maybe the Mountain. However, I do not think HTH is gonna happen.

 

Really? I didn't think so at all. LF pimped her out and she did what she was told. That was the sad part.

 

Just like on the show. But the difference is, she's not going to suddenly play a different character.

[Ser Friendzoned]

As does George. Who may actually have a legitimate beef, depending on what arrangements were made, if any, and how they have been honored, or not.

We don't and probably never will know what goes on behind closed doors between him and the show.

 

Definitely not. It's sort of annoying, wondering what they actually talk about, and wondering how bad D&D screw George over (and fans).  :bang:

[Spilt Pea Soup]

First world strugs. I don't reserve much anxiety for the various petty grievances between multimillionaires. No one can be *that* upset.

[Le Cygne]

Then I hope that somehow, TWoW will bring the plot back together succinctly and give some much need HOPE for the future that ASOIAF and GoT has lacked for the past, what? From nearly AGoT or S01. There needs to be at least a few uplifting moments to deliver us all into the final . . . bittersweetness. Cause all we got right now, imo, is BITTER. 

 

Yeah, I was hoping the tone of this book would be a little more hopeful, too. Just hoping the show, which has turned into misery porn, isn't a bad sign of what's ahead in the books. Sometimes I think it's like that Agatha Christie novel, And Then There Were None.

[LongRider]

It seems to me the show has pre-empted HtH and whatever happens to him to take him out of the running (perhaps)? But it's a low blow to their Sansa character to have her be Mrs. Ramsey. From what I barely was able to stomach from the San Diego Comic Con, Turner expressed her opinion that Sansa would roll with the punches and be stronger. Still, it irritates me no end how the character of Sansa Stark has turned out on the show. I practically root for Littlefinger to screw her over and kill her. Completely not my opinion on the book character.  :worried:

 

Ah, back to chickens . . . I do expect that MeriBrother will spout the famous broken men speech. Someone needs to comment on all the tragedy that has occurred in Westeros. It's been High Tragedy, if not High Fantasy.

 

Then I hope that somehow, TWoW will bring the plot back together succinctly and give some much need HOPE for the future that ASOIAF and GoT has lacked for the past, what? From nearly AGoT or S01. There needs to be at least a few uplifting moments to deliver us all into the final . . . bittersweetness. Cause all we got right now, imo, is BITTER. 

 

HtH is out in the show that's true, but then, now so is Stannis.  And hopefully MeriBrother  (love that) will give the proper speech.  A few good scenes done right with him could reintroduce Sandor back to the story in a convincing way.  sigh, I'm not hopefull.  And I agree with you, the show has become too bitter, and Sansa's character is ruined.

[Le Cygne]

Trying to think of the order in which characters dying on the show would upset me, and I'd be more upset if Dolorous Edd died than Fansa. She's basically a cardboard standup that gets moved around on the show.

[Woman of War]

If Sansa dies in the show she will sooner or later die in the books as well

And yes, that nice, entertaining and so very much not controversial Alayne gift chapter gave the distinct impression that something awful would happen to Sansa soon. Before I had seen series 5 obviously.

[Ser Friendzoned]

Trying to think of the order in which characters dying on the show would upset me, and I'd be more upset if Dolorous Edd died than Fansa. She's basically a cardboard standup that gets moved around on the show.

 

Agreed. The coolness of Edd is unmatched, along with the loyalty (other than Ser Jorah).

[Le Cygne]

She seemed to be falling for HTH and that bothered me but agreed, Ramsay is a monster in a class all to his own except maybe the Mountain. However, I do not think HTH is gonna happen.

 
I also meant to say, I didn't mean Harry would be less brutal, but that GRRM would be less brutal. I don't think Harry is a rapist, he's an oaf, but there's nothing to suggest anything more than that. And I don't think it will even get that far, she doesn't want Harry, and he doesn't want her. They are both pawns at this point, caught up in a greater game.

 

I think Sansa's crisis in the books will be one of the soul, not the body. She's been putting some things off that she should be thinking about, in terms of her role in what happened with Ned and Jeyne, and when she thinks about them, it's not going to be pleasant. She's going along to get along, but sometimes you can't do that.

 

Also, I think she's going to do something good. At least I hope she will. I think Sandor brings out the best in her, like she brings out the best in him, and they will be drawn to each other, and help each other. I also think Sweetrobin has a greater role to play, they've neglected that on the show, too.

[A Ghost of Someone]

Yes. There is a secret conspiracy of everyone involved. They secretly hate D&D and the show just as much as you do. They just know better than to say anything. Please. They are actors. They get paid to recite lines in front of a camera. Without the show, no one would likely know who they are, so of course they are happy with it. I don't think many of them give three figs for the book purist crap peddled around here.

No secret conspiracy and yes, there is certain loyalties the actors and especially the discovered from obscurity actors and actresses like Sophie who owe GOT. However, I know that many of them also want their chracters to make some sense and have a purpose on this show. When you are 19 years old, who was cast for your part as a 12 year old and started filming at 13, spending 6 months a year shooting per season, you get attached to your character and do give a fig about it. Just saying :dunno:

[A Ghost of Someone]

 
I also meant to say, I didn't mean Harry would be less brutal, but that GRRM would be less brutal. I don't think Harry is a rapist, he's an oaf, but there's nothing to suggest anything more than that. And I don't think it will even get that far, she doesn't want Harry, and he doesn't want her. They are both pawns at this point, caught up in a greater game.

 

I think Sansa's crisis in the books will be one of the soul, not the body. She's been putting some things off that she should be thinking about, in terms of her role in what happened with Ned and Jeyne, and when she thinks about them, it's not going to be pleasant. She's going along to get along, but sometimes you can't do that.

 

Also, I think she's going to do something good. At least I hope she will. I think Sandor brings out the best in her, like she brings out the best in him, and they will be drawn to each other, and help each other. I also think Sweetrobin has a greater role to play, they've neglected that on the show, too.

ok, and yes, she has been repressing things in her mind that are too painful and who could blame her, she is only 13 in book reality and look at where she was mentally in the beginning. She has endured just about everything but rape so far but how long can that last?

[LongRider]

ok, and yes, she has been repressing things in her mind that are too painful and who could blame her, she is only 13 in book reality and look at where she was mentally in the beginning. She has endured just about everything but rape so far but how long can that last?

 

Bookwise, will something trigger Sansa's repressed memories?  Will the truth of what LF has done to her family, how blood much of it he has on his hands, ever come to light for her?  I've been waiting and waiting, and hope it does in WOW.  She needs to remember what Lysa said before she died, how coldly LF killed Ser Dontos, his lies of 'taking her home'.  

 

Will Sandor have a part to play in this for Sansa?   Show wise, I don't see any of this happening at all.  Which is too bad, as GRRM will write it so well, it could be adapted well too.  :(

[A Ghost of Someone]

 

Bookwise, will something trigger Sansa's repressed memories?  Will the truth of what LF has done to her family, how blood much of it he has on his hands, ever come to light for her?  I've been waiting and waiting, and hope it does in WOW.  She needs to remember what Lysa said before she died, how coldly LF killed Ser Dontos, his lies of 'taking her home'.  

 

Will Sandor have a part to play in this for Sansa?   Show wise, I don't see any of this happening at all.  Which is too bad, as GRRM will write it so well, it could be adapted well too.  :(

In the books, I think she will be the Queen that cast Cersei down. In the show it is Dany. I think Sansa is in for a very, very different journey than what the books have led us to believe but the hints are there. On the show, it is impossible to do this after Season 5, perhaps if they knew it would run 8 seasons before writing season 5 but it is too late now. As for LF, Sansa killing him or calling for his head, books or show is the only satisfying end to Baelish I will accept.

[Le Cygne]

I don't think Sansa will be queen in either, but they could very well change her ending on the show, they haven't respected anything about her story so far, it's not like it would be a stretch or anything.

[LongRider]

In the books, I think she will be the Queen that cast Cersei down. In the show it is Dany. I think Sansa is in for a very, very different journey than what the books have led us to believe but the hints are there. On the show, it is impossible to do this after Season 5, perhaps if they knew it would run 8 seasons before writing season 5 but it is too late now. As for LF, Sansa killing him or calling for his head, books or show is the only satisfying end to Baelish I will accept.

 

I like what you've written but also don't see Sansa as a queen.  However, yes, her arc could be quite different in WOW.  In GOT, her story has gone backwards, not forwards.  As for Sandor, in my view, him fighting in Cleganebowl would be going backwards as well.

[Karmarni]

 

She's been putting some things off that she should be thinking about, in terms of her role in what happened with Ned and Jeyne, and when she thinks about them, it's not going to be pleasant. She's going along to get along, but sometimes you can't do that.

 

Agree. And Sansa is going backwards in the show, LongRider. They won't even address Ramsey's brutality to her, I guess she won't get Jeyne's frostbitten nose either. She bullied Theon and that was surprising. Alayne still has her courtesy armor on in her gift chapter, but the show has forgone that aspect of Sansa.

 

Sandor fighting Gregor would be a detriment to his character development if he did so. I am hoping that Gregor gets taken out in a serendipitous moment and Sandor is grateful, but has moved on.