Baratheon3508 Posted August 29, 2015 Share Posted August 29, 2015 Do you think he'd have kept anyone off the old council? Like Stannis if he'd been willing? Or maybe Ser Barristan? We know that Renly was hoping for him to join his Rainbow Guard but he'd already given the position of LC to somebody else. Who would the rest have been? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Floki of the Ironborn Posted August 29, 2015 Share Posted August 29, 2015 He would have gotten rid of Stannis first chance he got, because 1, Stannis' presence was living proof that he had no true right to be king, and 2, Stannis would never tolerate a slight like that. Robert was his older brother so any insult had to be endured, but Renly? Summon a ghost post haste Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
HexMachina Posted August 29, 2015 Share Posted August 29, 2015 Mace Tyrell was likely his Hand of the King. Probably the origin of his infamous and fabulous chair Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Baratheon3508 Posted August 29, 2015 Author Share Posted August 29, 2015 I agree that Stannis wouldn't have tolerated it but are you sure Renly wouldn't have done? He did offer to let him live and give him Storm's End? You don't think that would stretch to a position on the small council? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
VenezuelanLord Posted August 29, 2015 Share Posted August 29, 2015 Mace tyrell as hand, that's a given Redwyne as master of ships LF as master of coin Varys a master of whispers Barristan as LC ( he could fit Loras too, but Renly is not an idiot like Joffrey, he wouldn't fire Barri) Pycelle as GM In order to Renly form his SC, stannis should be dead, there's no way Renly seats the IT whitout Stannis interference if he's not dead Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Sage of Westeros Posted August 29, 2015 Share Posted August 29, 2015 Mathis Rowan Randyl Tarly Mace Tyrell Paxter Redwyne Loras Tyrell Grand Maester Gormon (Tyrell) maybe Lord Estermont maybe Selwyn Tarth Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
The Drunkard Posted August 29, 2015 Share Posted August 29, 2015 Stacked with Tyrells and Tyrell lackeys given his total reliance on their support. eta Mace would definitely be Hand, Loras was already Lord Commander (and the RG was full, so Selmy misses out), Tarly and Rowan seemed like the most significant of Renly's lords at SE so I presume they'd get spots, and Redwyne might get a spot despite giving Renly and Mace no assistance as they'd need his fleet to defeat Stannis and Balon. I always wonder whether he'd have poached Maester Cressen from Stannis if Red Mel hadn't poisoned him. Other way around, Cressen poisoned himself whilst trying (and failing) to murder Melisandre. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Baratheon3508 Posted August 29, 2015 Author Share Posted August 29, 2015 I always wonder whether he'd have poached Maester Cressen from Stannis if Red Mel hadn't poisoned him. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Sage of Westeros Posted August 29, 2015 Share Posted August 29, 2015 I always wonder whether he'd have poached Maester Cressen from Stannis if Red Mel hadn't poisoned him. It would have been unlawful plus I don't think he had the same bond and respect that Stannis did Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
VenezuelanLord Posted August 29, 2015 Share Posted August 29, 2015 It would have been unlawful plus I don't think he had the same bond and respect that Stannis did Cressen wouldn't have left stannis alone, he believed that Stannis needed him the most Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Bobby b's bobby Posted August 29, 2015 Share Posted August 29, 2015 Honestly if stannis backed down and served renly I don't see why he wouldn't be master of ships or laws hand is Mace. He'd keep pycelle or barristan but I think he'd get rid of lf and Varys. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
VenezuelanLord Posted August 29, 2015 Share Posted August 29, 2015 Honestly if stannis backed down and served renly I don't see why he wouldn't be master of ships or laws hand is Mace. He'd keep pycelle or barristan but I think he'd get rid of lf and Varys. How would anyone think that the elder have to back down in a succession conflict, Renly should have sworn fealty to stannis, yes he could have made a "pretty" King, but only for the showing, he had no interest in helping westeros, only in the court life Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Bobby b's bobby Posted August 29, 2015 Share Posted August 29, 2015 How would anyone think that the elder have to back down in a succession conflict, Renly should have sworn fealty to stannis, yes he could have made a "pretty" King, but only for the showing, he had no interest in helping westeros, only in the court life Because the elder had 5000 men at best and the younger had 100k. Renly would have made a better king than stannis. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Floki of the Ironborn Posted August 29, 2015 Share Posted August 29, 2015 Renly would have made a better king than stannis. Olenna Tyrell disagrees, and it was her family fighting for Renly's cause. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Bobby b's bobby Posted August 29, 2015 Share Posted August 29, 2015 Olenna Tyrell disagrees, and it was her family fighting for Renly's cause. A bitter old woman talking to someone outside the family about renly failing in the capital says renly would have been bad Great evidence. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Floki of the Ironborn Posted August 29, 2015 Share Posted August 29, 2015 A bitter old woman talking to someone outside the family about renly failing in the capital says renly would have been bad Great evidence. That bitter old woman is one of the smarter people in the series and she's also unafraid to speak critically of her own family to strangers. So why should he criticism of Renly be counted as useless? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Bobby b's bobby Posted August 29, 2015 Share Posted August 29, 2015 That bitter old woman is one of the smarter people in the series and she's also unafraid to speak critically of her own family to strangers. So why should he criticism of Renly be counted as useless? Is she one of the smartest people? Renly was popular and charismatic is compared to Robert without the drinking, eating, whoring and spending to excess with the full backing of the Reach I don't see how he could fail. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
VenezuelanLord Posted August 29, 2015 Share Posted August 29, 2015 Because the elder had 5000 men at best and the younger had 100k. Renly would have made a better king than stannis. Of course not, that's made clear in AGOT and COK, Renly was only interested in the court life, the best proof is that he is having a tourney while preparing to face Stannis, and besides the Succession laws made it clear, the Heir was Stannis, Renly should have called the banners to help stannis, and then he would be alive and KL could have fallen to Stannis, Renly had it coming Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Nyrhex Posted August 29, 2015 Share Posted August 29, 2015 He would have gotten rid of Stannis first chance he got, because 1, Stannis' presence was living proof that he had no true right to be king, and 2, Stannis would never tolerate a slight like that. Robert was his older brother so any insult had to be endured, but Renly? Summon a ghost post haste Stannis is not living proof that he had no true right to be king. He had 3 of Robert's children, and before Stannis sent his letter Renly was already in open rebellion against them. Like Renly thought of Dany, the kids were a risk to be rid of. But Stannis he claimed was to ally to him, and provide him with a fleet. It is not clear if Renly had intended to murder Stannis as well later on when he no longer needed him, but if Stannis had aided him in usurping Robert's children, it is just as likely that Renly would consider Stannis as a non-threat. Clearly, he had just aided him in becoming king. Stannis not suffering a slight like that did not stop Renly from thinking, or at least to claim to think that Stannis would side with him in a war against Robert's children. Note that he claims that in Bitterbridge, when he had recieved Stanins' twincest letter weeks earlier back at Horn Hill, and had either dismissed it as a temporary setback at best with poor propaganda, or he was just bullshitting Catelyn in the hopes that with having bullied the North and the Riverlands into bending the knee, he would be able to give the same threat speech to Stannis later (unlikely, given his shock that Stannis lays siege to Storm's End). From the Small Council, Renly does not seem to mind Littlefinger and Varys. Pycelle as well, and he had no input on an officer that is under his authority - Slynt. It seems as if Renly was also not thinking of getting rid of the Kingsguard. He started the Rainbow Guard, but he only reserved a spot for Barristan after he heared that he was fired from his position. The Rainbow Guard also don't seem to work the same, since they had an acting lord (Caron) in the ranks. Maybe he was planning on aboloshing the order, or maybe he was banking on creating redundancies, just in case. Mace Tyrell would have been Renly's Hand. He crowned him for crying out loud. Aside from that most of the Small Council would have likely stayed the same, with the position of Master of Laws likely given to a Stormlord like Estermont, or to a Tyrell agent. Tarly or Rowan or Redwyne. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Bobby b's bobby Posted August 29, 2015 Share Posted August 29, 2015 Of course not, that's made clear in AGOT and COK, Renly was only interested in the court life, the best proof is that he is having a tourney while preparing to face Stannis, and besides the Succession laws made it clear, the Heir was Stannis, Renly should have called the banners to help stannis, and then he would be alive and KL could have fallen to Stannis, Renly had it coming The tournaments were to waste time as the capital starves, build morale and are training not just because he fancied holding a tourney. Stannis was the heir if anybody knew about the twins nobody did only stannis and by the time he sends out the letters it only makes him look like an ambitious uncle joining a war to stake his own claim. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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