DanteGabriel Posted March 25, 2016 Share Posted March 25, 2016 13 hours ago, Altherion said: It looks like AI mimicking people still needs some debugging: Never let your chatbot read the comments sections. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Ser Scot A Ellison Posted March 25, 2016 Author Share Posted March 25, 2016 14 minutes ago, DanteGabriel said: Never let your chatbot read the comments sections. It's over when the chatbot says "I'm not a racist... but". Then the killbot will be created shortly. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
maarsen Posted March 25, 2016 Share Posted March 25, 2016 Every time someone come forward with an AI that is claimed to be ever so much better than the last iteration, human ingenuity manages to show up its limitations rather quickly. It still cannot pass a Turing test. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Ser Scot A Ellison Posted March 25, 2016 Author Share Posted March 25, 2016 Maarsan, Alan Turing was amazing but his test is, in my opinion, extremely superfucial. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
maarsen Posted March 25, 2016 Share Posted March 25, 2016 1 hour ago, Ser Scot A Ellison said: Maarsan, Alan Turing was amazing but his test is, in my opinion, extremely superfucial. Scot, the Turing test has been accepted as less than a definitive measure of Artificial Intelligence, but even so, the chat bot failed that test most miserably. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Ser Scot A Ellison Posted March 25, 2016 Author Share Posted March 25, 2016 Maarsen, As reapectfully as possible until we can actually define what consciousness is any test offered will be insufficient. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
maarsen Posted March 25, 2016 Share Posted March 25, 2016 Point taken. As any discussion of what constitutes consciousness is better left to better informed people than I . BTW, have a great Easter, Scot. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Ser Scot A Ellison Posted March 25, 2016 Author Share Posted March 25, 2016 Maarsen, You too Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
James Arryn Posted March 26, 2016 Share Posted March 26, 2016 On March 17, 2016 at 7:50 PM, maarsen said: Quote clear. scott, maarsen, are you two deliberately conversing like two bots to make some point? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Jo498 Posted March 26, 2016 Share Posted March 26, 2016 But the Turing Test is irrelevant for the somewhat likely fields of imminent automation, e.g. self-driving cars, cleaning or burger flipping robots or whatever. (The test is also infused with a "behaviorist" notion of intelligence or consciousness that has been passé since several decades both in philosophy and in cognitive science. It would probably be better to give that test a rest...) Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Ser Scot A Ellison Posted March 26, 2016 Author Share Posted March 26, 2016 3 hours ago, Jo498 said: But the Turing Test is irrelevant for the somewhat likely fields of imminent automation, e.g. self-driving cars, cleaning or burger flipping robots or whatever. (The test is also infused with a "behaviorist" notion of intelligence or consciousness that has been passé since several decades both in philosophy and in cognitive science. It would probably be better to give that test a rest...) Jo, That's my point. The Turing test does not and cannot test for consciousness because we cannot define consciousness in such a way that would allow us to actually test for consciousness' presence or absence. You are further correct that the presence or absence of "strong AI" does not lessen the impact that automation will have upon our economic futures. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
maarsen Posted March 26, 2016 Share Posted March 26, 2016 11 hours ago, James Arryn said: Quote clear. scott, maarsen, are you two deliberately conversing like two bots to make some point? Chatting like a bot?? Hmmm... I think the humour algorithm needs a bit of a tune up. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
White Walker Texas Ranger Posted March 28, 2016 Share Posted March 28, 2016 On 3/24/2016 at 6:46 PM, Altherion said: It looks like AI mimicking people still needs some debugging: It's a necessary misstep so that when we have an actual AI with power, we won't accidentally turn it genocidal by letting it learn values from the internet. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Kalbear Posted March 28, 2016 Share Posted March 28, 2016 Quote That's my point. The Turing test does not and cannot test for consciousness because we cannot define consciousness in such a way that would allow us to actually test for consciousness' presence or absence. And again, who cares? Why is checking for consciousness an important thing for discussing, well, anything? The idea that something intelligent or superintelligent and self-aware is also conscious is entirely a humanistic conceit. The Turing test is outmoded not because we can't define what consciousness is, but because we shouldn't care about it as a measure. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Kalbear Posted May 13, 2016 Share Posted May 13, 2016 Going into automation - here's a cautionary tale about private industry making the public sector obsolete. Theranos stated that they could make blood testing absurdly cheap, easy, and disrupt the industry. Turns out that they were essentially giant liars. My favorite part was that they charged about $5 for blood tests - and then did the blood tests for upwards of $100 per test by sending them to established labs. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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