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Automation and changing economic systems


Ser Scot A Ellison

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Every time someone come forward with an AI that is claimed to be ever so much better than the last iteration, human ingenuity manages to show up its limitations rather quickly. It still cannot pass a Turing test.

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1 hour ago, Ser Scot A Ellison said:

Maarsan,

Alan Turing was amazing but his test is, in my opinion, extremely superfucial.

Scot, the Turing test has been accepted as less than a definitive measure of Artificial Intelligence, but even so, the chat bot failed that test most miserably.

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But the Turing Test is irrelevant for the somewhat likely fields of imminent automation, e.g. self-driving cars, cleaning or burger flipping robots or whatever. (The test is also infused with a "behaviorist" notion of intelligence or consciousness that has been passé since several decades both in philosophy and in cognitive science. It would probably be better to give that test a rest...)

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3 hours ago, Jo498 said:

But the Turing Test is irrelevant for the somewhat likely fields of imminent automation, e.g. self-driving cars, cleaning or burger flipping robots or whatever. (The test is also infused with a "behaviorist" notion of intelligence or consciousness that has been passé since several decades both in philosophy and in cognitive science. It would probably be better to give that test a rest...)

Jo,

That's my point.  The Turing test does not and cannot test for consciousness because we cannot define consciousness in such a way that would allow us to actually test for consciousness' presence or absence.  

You are further correct that the presence or absence of "strong AI" does not lessen the impact that automation will have upon our economic futures.

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11 hours ago, James Arryn said:

Quote clear.

 

scott, maarsen, are you two deliberately conversing like two bots to make some point?

Chatting like a bot?? Hmmm... I think the humour algorithm needs a bit of a tune up.

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That's my point.  The Turing test does not and cannot test for consciousness because we cannot define consciousness in such a way that would allow us to actually test for consciousness' presence or absence.  

And again, who cares? Why is checking for consciousness an important thing for discussing, well, anything? The idea that something intelligent or superintelligent and self-aware is also conscious is entirely a humanistic conceit. 

The Turing test is outmoded not because we can't define what consciousness is, but because we shouldn't care about it as a measure. 

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Going into automation - here's a cautionary tale about private industry making the public sector obsolete. Theranos stated that they could make blood testing absurdly cheap, easy, and disrupt the industry. Turns out that they were essentially giant liars. My favorite part was that they charged about $5 for blood tests - and then did the blood tests for upwards of $100 per test by sending them to established labs. 

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