NBA Offseason: The Draft, Free Agency and Trade Rumors Oh My!

[DunderMifflin]

Some lean?

[Jaime L]

16 minutes ago, Manhole Eunuchsbane said:

 The reanimated corpse of Bradley Beal is cleaning up. 5 years for 128 mill. 

Putting up a 17/3/3 has a dead person has never paid better.

I also love that the Kings are gunning for Dion Waiters. It seems Vivek and Vlade diligently pored over their depth chart this offseason and came to the conclusion they're dangerously low on two commodities: centers and crazy people. 

[Mr. Chatywin et al.]

7 minutes ago, Relic said:

not at all surprising. Listened to a podcast that did a mock FA thingy, and these were the prices they were coming up with. Liek someone said above, 8-10 mil is what an avg player will be getting per year. 

Yeah I heard the same thing, but I needed to see it to believe it. The thing that is blowing me away is the length of these contracts. If I was a GM I'd only be offering 2-3 year deals to anyone who isn't going to be an immediate starter on my team. 

[Mr. Chatywin et al.]

25 minutes ago, DunderMifflin said:

They still wouldn't be more than a middling playoff team even if they drafted those better players. 

There wasnt much available for them no matter how bad they were.

Who knows.But imagine this:

In 2011 they take Klay over Kemba

In 2012 they take Lillard or Drummond over MKG (or imagine if they had gotten the AD pick)

In 2013 they take Adams or the Greek Freak over Zeller

In 2014 they take LaVine over Vonleh 

In 2015 they take Winslow over Frank the Tank.

Now they would have a starting 5 of Lillard, LaVine, Klay, Winslow and Adams/Greek Freak. Having a string of strong draft picks is how you rebuild. Over than Kemba they guys they took are pretty meh. 

[Mr. Chatywin et al.]

12 minutes ago, Jaime L said:

Putting up a 17/3/3 has a dead person has never paid better.

Is he still on a minutes restriction? 

12 minutes ago, Jaime L said:

I also love that the Kings are gunning for Dion Waiters. It seems Vivek and Vlade diligently pored over their depth chart this offseason and came to the conclusion they're dangerously low on two commodities: centers and crazy people. 

They're the Mississippi of the NBA. Just there to make everyone else feel a little better about themselves. 

[Rhom]

Speaking of Zombie Beal... I don't recall seeing anything from our favorite CTU agent since well before the playoffs began.  Did IGN stop paying him to post here????

[Jaime L]

3 minutes ago, Tywin et al. said:

Is he still on a minutes restriction? 

God I hope not. When you're paying $130m guaranteed the bare minimum expectation is that the guy will play more than 30 MPG and more than 60 games per year...which we really haven't seen from him. What's the guy doing with all this time he's not playing (besides terrorizing Westeros)? 

[Relic]

1 hour ago, Tywin et al. said:

Yeah I heard the same thing, but I needed to see it to believe it. The thing that is blowing me away is the length of these contracts. If I was a GM I'd only be offering 2-3 year deals to anyone who isn't going to be an immediate starter on my team. 

So like, if you were Phil Jackson you wouldn't be giving Noah a 4 year deal? Is there ANYONE here that would?  

To quote Jason Concepcion - " With all that said, if Phil signs Joakim Noah to four years of guaranteed money, I will drive to Montana, find his artisanal psilocybin mushroom patch, and tear it up with my bare hands. Then I’ll eat the mushrooms, travel to the astral plane, find his spirit animal, and kill it. I will burn his home to the ground."

and

"So, why, again, is Phil thinking of signing Noah to a deal that would keep him in New York, pulling down guaranteed money, until THE OLYMPIC GAMES IN TOKYO??? Who, besides the voices in Phil’s head, is EVEN BIDDING THREE YEARS???"

 

https://theringer.com/knicks-cant-stop-bidding-against-themselves-joakim-noah-52f77ab07b3b#.cygs90tre

[Mr. Chatywin et al.]

3 minutes ago, Jaime L said:

God I hope not. When you're paying $130m guaranteed the bare minimum expectation is that the guy will play more than 30 MPG and more than 60 games per year...which we really haven't seen from him. What's the guy doing with all this time he's not playing (besides terrorizing Westeros)? 

I heard sometime during the season that he was, but I don't follow what's going on with your team. It's a shame if he is because he was so good before he got hurt. 

2 minutes ago, Relic said:

So like, if you were Phil Jackson you wouldn't be giving Noah a 4 year deal? Is there ANYONE here that would?  

Lol. I'll give you this, the Knicks have been doing all they can to reinforce what you were complaining about earlier this week. 

Also, I just heard LeBron's mouth piece say the Knicks could be interested in Wade. I don't even know what to make of a hypothetical starting 5 of Rose, Wade, Melo, Unicorn and Noah. 

[DunderMifflin]

28 minutes ago, Tywin et al. said:

Who knows.But imagine this:

In 2011 they take Klay over Kemba

In 2012 they take Lillard or Drummond over MKG (or imagine if they had gotten the AD pick)

In 2013 they take Adams or the Greek Freak over Zeller

In 2014 they take LaVine over Vonleh 

In 2015 they take Winslow over Frank the Tank.

Now they would have a starting 5 of Lillard, LaVine, Klay, Winslow and Adams/Greek Freak. Having a string of strong draft picks is how you rebuild. Over than Kemba they guys they took are pretty meh. 

I don't see this roster as much better than what they had this season tbh.

I think it would have trouble getting by Toronto or Atlanta.

Certainly not a roster worth tanking multiple seasons for imo.

[Mr. Chatywin et al.]

Parsons to the Grizz for the max. 

I guess if you're a 5 year player with a career average of 14/5/3 with two recent knee surgeries you're now a max player. 

[Jaime L]

Evan Turner just got $70m from the Trailblazers. I know one person who likes this move. 

7 minutes ago, Tywin et al. said:

Also, I just heard LeBron's mouth piece say the Knicks could be interested in Wade. I don't even know what to make of a hypothetical starting 5 of Rose, Wade, Melo, Unicorn and Noah. 

So I was going to make the typical Knicks "2009 All Stars" joke but if they have Wade and Melo that gives them 2 of the 3 players Lebron has said he wants to play with before his career is out. And which of these guys wouldn't love playing in NY? I now think it's the smartest dumb move possible. 

[Mr. Chatywin et al.]

4 minutes ago, DunderMifflin said:

I don't this roster is much better than what they had this season tbh.

I think it would have trouble getting by Toronto or Atlanta.

Certainly not a roster worth tanking multiple seasons for imo.

A team with Lillard, Klay and the Greek Freak as 3 of it's starters would be really strong in the East with room to grow. 

[Manhole Eunuchsbane]

9 minutes ago, Jaime L said:

Evan Turner just got $70m from the Trailblazers. I know one person who likes this move. 

Oh, come on. His agent and his Mom are also ecstatic. 

[sperry]

4 yrs 38 mill on Delly is actually a good deal.

[DunderMifflin]

9 minutes ago, Tywin et al. said:

A team with Lillard, Klay and the Greek Freak as 3 of it's starters would be really strong in the East with room to grow. 

kemba walker and nic Batum is not that bad though. if mkg can stay healthy he will have a breakout year I think.

And frank Kaminsky isn't that bad, I expect him to one day peak at around 10-12 points a game and 6-7 rebounds.

[sperry]

1 minute ago, DunderMifflin said:

kemba walker and nic Batum is not that bad though. if mkg can stay healthy he will have a breakout year I think.

And frank Kaminsky isn't that bad, I expect him to one day peak at around 10-12 points a game and 6-7 rebounds.

 

The problem is, you're describing a team that's going to be a 5-7 seed in the playoffs every year and never make it past the conference semis.

[Mr. Chatywin et al.]

3 minutes ago, DunderMifflin said:

kemba walker and nic Batum is not that bad though. if mkg can stay healthy he will have a breakout year I think.

Like Sperry just said, not that bad is going to leave you in the purgatory of perennial low playoff seed, which is not where any team wants to be. And Walker and Batum is no where near as good as Lillard and Klay. Not even close.

4 minutes ago, DunderMifflin said:

And frank Kaminsky isn't that bad, I expect him to one day peak at around 10-12 points a game and 6-7 rebounds.

Eh, he's looking like he'll be a role player at best. Winslow could be a star if he ever learns how to shoot. And if not, he could be an elite defensive specialist which isn't the end of the world.

The funny thing is the Hornets took Frank over Winslow because they thought he was the guy a team wanted in a potential trade when in fact they actually wanted Winslow.  

7 minutes ago, sperry said:

4 yrs 38 mill on Delly is actually a good deal.

*Rolls up newspaper*

"Bad Sperry"

*Whacks Sperry* 

[DunderMifflin]

2 minutes ago, sperry said:

 

The problem is, you're describing a team that's going to be a 5-7 seed in the playoffs every year and never make it past the conference semis.

The alternative is to purposefully suck for another 3-4 years in hopes you can perfectly evaluate the draft with uncanny precision. 

Lillard and thompson weren't on the map like that coming out of college, they both became much better professionals than what they were projected.

And I'm still not sure how far a Lillard/Klay backcourt gets you even if you have a time machine.

 

[Manhole Eunuchsbane]

2 minutes ago, DunderMifflin said:

And I'm still not sure how far a Lillard/Klay backcourt gets you even if you have a time machine.

Really? I think that's fairly comparable to a Curry/Klay backcourt. Granted, they didn't get to the Finals by themselves, but I'm not sure you could ask for a better backcourt.