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Why Does the Political Right And Left Feel the Need to Demonize Each Other ?

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54 minutes ago, Pony Queen Jace said:

'MURICA!

When we elect dictators, you know that their insane and clearly dementia inspired rants only ever strain at OUR institutions!

In essence, America does elect a king who reigns for four years. So far, though, while many have made catastrophic mistakes with their power, I think that now is the first time somebody is ruling who is genuinely a tyrant. He is in it to drink the treasury dry, rule over the nobles who love him and ignore the serfs in his fiefs.

America's greatest flaw in its constitution is the fact that the president is above the law. It was incredibly naive to put the power to prosecute the president during his term entirely into the legislative branch's control. They even saw this threat coming: Washington was basically bullied into running as they didn't trust their other leaders to be noble examples of power, and then had no choice running again and it took the fact he was elderly for his peers to accept he wouldn't go for a third term.

Was Washington perfect? Of course not. But he was trustworthy to be patriotic, and not partisan. They assumed that only such men would ever be elected.

Barring that, if America insists that their president is indeed a king and indeed above the law throughout his reign no matter what, then at the very least they should use the Electoral College for the one and only reason it was designed for: to override the votes of the commoners and prevent any tyrant from taking office. Trump could have been circumvented! If he wins office again in 2020 and the EC still allows it, then the Republic is truly doomed.

37 minutes ago, GAROVORKIN said:

That fountain of agenda free unbiased truth and wisdom.

"Media has biases" is a truism. That's when a statement sounds prophetic but it is impossible to be anything but true. You are biased. As am I. It is absolutely impossible not to be.

Bias is only an issue when it leads to dishonest coverage, such as outright lies, or coverage so limited in scope as to be essentially lying anyway.

In the case of media, their bias is normally not really toward an agenda per se, it's toward a target audience. They will have advertisers aiming to reach particular demographics and then will hope for a large audience within that demographic to watch it. Therefore they'll tailor which stories they run, as well as which editorial directions to take, based on what their audience will probably like and therefore watch. This is shown by the fact that Fox News went from revulsion and vitriol towards Lord Drumpf to sycophantic love, as it was better for ratings.

This is why the least biased news tends to be state-owned news in free countries. Australia's ABC and the UK's BBC have no particular reason to appeal to advertisers, since their funds and guaranteed by their governments. They're also given a lot of latitude about what they can report. They also must meet certain targets, to show that the money is being well-spent, so instead of an appeal to advertisers, they'll instead appeal to aiming to run exposes on major issues other networks may ignore.

This means that both networks have a peculiar anti-governing party bias. It has long been observed that these networks will frequently undercut whichever party is governing. It's how the strange cases have happened of Australia's insulation scheme fires, the children overboard lies and the cabinet file breaches were all broken by the ABC, despite the fact that all of them were damaging to the government of the time. Similarly, the fact that there was an outcry in the Labor party against the Iraq war, an imminent leadership spill for the UK leadership, or the difficulties the UK have had in EU negotiations were exposed by the BBC.

You should read the news and watch it as part of being an informed member of society. Looking at many sources will help, as you'll fast learn which are reporting well.

But if you're aiming to avoid bias, it really means you'll have nothing and nobody to communicate with.

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6 minutes ago, Darth Richard II said:

No, tha'ts Peggy Carter.

Don't worry, I just had to scare off the sealions.

@Yukle

The President is not above the law, we just haven't had to decide that question yet because (as you mentioned) we never had a blatant traitor in office before at the same time as having a partisan allied congress desperately clinging to the shreds of power it possesses in an attempt to secure a dying victory of the Bourgeoisie that might extend their blatant thievery long enough to explore new arenas of kleptocratic exploitation in a changing social reality. 

Just sayin'.

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10 minutes ago, Darth Richard II said:

Sea Lions frighten easily, but they'll be back, and in greater numbers...

Well can you stand? We've got to get out of here before more Russia People arrive.

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4 hours ago, Pony Queen Jace said:

Don't worry, I just had to scare off the sealions.

@Yukle

The President is not above the law, we just haven't had to decide that question yet because (as you mentioned) we never had a blatant traitor in office before at the same time as having a partisan allied congress desperately clinging to the shreds of power it possesses in an attempt to secure a dying victory of the Bourgeoisie that might extend their blatant thievery long enough to explore new arenas of kleptocratic exploitation in a changing social reality. 

Just sayin'.

Well, it has never been tested. I just assume that if it went to court it would rule against common sense, as five of its members are wont to do.

Article I, Section 3, Clause 7 of the American constitution states:

Judgment in Cases of Impeachment shall not extend further than to removal from office, and disqualification to hold and enjoy any Office of honor, Trust or Profit under the United States: but the Party convicted shall nevertheless be liable and subject to Indictment, Trial, Judgment and Punishment, according to Law.

This seems to imply that a conviction can only come after removal from office, and therefore while holding office, the President and VP are both immune.

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7 hours ago, Darth Richard II said:

Sea Lions frighten easily, but they'll be back, and in greater numbers...

The term is Godwin.  Godwin is back in great numbers. :D

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14 hours ago, Darth Richard II said:

Sea Lions frighten easily, but they'll be back, and in greater numbers...

Especially as their Great Leaders like Steve Bannon tell them to proud of their racisim and wear their badges of evil with pride.  :crying:

Of course the last time the nazis teamed up with Russia, it didn't work out so well for the Reich -- though millions upon millions of everybody had to die.  And then more Russians died some more.

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1 hour ago, Zorral said:

Especially as their Great Leaders like Steve Bannon tell them to proud of their racisim and wear their badges of evil with pride.  :crying:

Of course the last time the nazis teamed up with Russia, it didn't work out so well for the Reich -- though millions upon millions of everybody had to die.  And then more Russians died some more.

Yes that's what I was referencing with the badges, but I guess that's fake news or something.

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On 3/11/2018 at 5:23 PM, Darth Richard II said:

Yes that's what I was referencing with the badges, but I guess that's fake news or something.

You know,  there should be an official fake news award show and let Hollywood produce it.:D:P

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8 minutes ago, GAROVORKIN said:

You know,  there should be an official fake news award show and let Hollywood produce it.:D:P

That idea was already taken by another charlatan stable genius.

 

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Because neither deserves to exist, and only the distractions they cause keep us from seeing that.  Which is why their distractions have become so constant in recent years as their failure to govern nears completion.  (Implosion via debt.)   

The big issues you want addressed by government?   Politicians know to never fix those problems, because those are wedge issues they can use to manipulate you for decades, keeping you on the hook, getting you worried or angry or fearful enough to vote for their bullcrap and donate extra money. 

After that it's time to pack all of those things up again until the next election year.   In between, when they should be working, they're instead "fighting for you!"   (Which doesn't mean anything.  So really they're doing nothing.  Fine by them, too, since their only real job was to get re-elected.)     

The way they've mind fucked the entire nation (world!) into a state of feverish panic and rage , blaming the other party's voters for stuff that may or may not exist,  ...that should tell you how afraid the politicians are of us being clear headed.   

And the Russians have been here a very long time, to echo an X- Files quote.  They've had full time bureaus of people working to get hinky altered news stories published by our presses since the cold war began, for the purpose of turning us against one another over here and weakening us.  You've been swallowing fake news all along, mostly true stories tweaked to include a little something extra to push our buttons by design , and some of it has seeped into your psyche like it was intended to do, and it now forms the forgotten cornerstone of your irrational hate for half of the countrymen you should be standing with right now against the russian bear and other actual foes.  But instead we get 2 years of tearing ourselves apart , for reasons that are..... not really reason enough to begin to justify how divided we are.  We've fallen for it.  Bigtime.

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On 3/14/2018 at 9:22 PM, The Mother of The Others said:

Because neither deserves to exist, and only the distractions they cause keep us from seeing that.  Which is why their distractions have become so constant in recent years as their failure to govern nears completion.  (Implosion via debt.)   

The big issues you want addressed by government?   Politicians know to never fix those problems, because those are wedge issues they can use to manipulate you for decades, keeping you on the hook, getting you worried or angry or fearful enough to vote for their bullcrap and donate extra money. 

After that it's time to pack all of those things up again until the next election year.   In between, when they should be working, they're instead "fighting for you!"   (Which doesn't mean anything.  So really they're doing nothing.  Fine by them, too, since their only real job was to get re-elected.)     

The way they've mind fucked the entire nation (world!) into a state of feverish panic and rage , blaming the other party's voters for stuff that may or may not exist,  ...that should tell you how afraid the politicians are of us being clear headed.   

And the Russians have been here a very long time, to echo an X- Files quote.  They've had full time bureaus of people working to get hinky altered news stories published by our presses since the cold war began, for the purpose of turning us against one another over here and weakening us.  You've been swallowing fake news all along, mostly true stories tweaked to include a little something extra to push our buttons by design , and some of it has seeped into your psyche like it was intended to do, and it now forms the forgotten cornerstone of your irrational hate for half of the countrymen you should be standing with right now against the russian bear and other actual foes.  But instead we get 2 years of tearing ourselves apart , for reasons that are..... not really reason enough to begin to justify how divided we are.  We've fallen for it.  Bigtime.

Ahh yes, the wisdom of the 15 year old cynic. Yawn.

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Why are people quoting the X-Files? I've seen it here and on facebook and, I have to say, it ain't a good look.

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I wonder what it means when the right is flirting with nauseous ideologies while the left is struggling to redefine itself to avoid the same kind of pitfalls. Because false equivalencies aside, it's quite clear that the left no longer plays with communism or marxism-leninism...

I still have this impression that the fall of the Soviet Union struck a terrible blow to the left in many Western countries (well, not in the US I guess, where the Cold War had already achieved that). But today, with inequality exploding and the middle-classes under various threats there's a real opportunity to seize the intellectual high-ground for decades.

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On 11/03/2018 at 6:10 PM, Pony Queen Jace said:

Don't worry, I just had to scare off the sealions.

@Yukle

The President is not above the law, we just haven't had to decide that question yet because (as you mentioned) we never had a blatant traitor in office before at the same time as having a partisan allied congress desperately clinging to the shreds of power it possesses in an attempt to secure a dying victory of the Bourgeoisie that might extend their blatant thievery long enough to explore new arenas of kleptocratic exploitation in a changing social reality. 

Just sayin'.

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/James_Buchanan

(OK. I'm being a bit harsh on the Congress. The entire political order was in flux).

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On 08/03/2018 at 0:22 AM, Darth Richard II said:

OK, so we've established that Garovowhatever is a demon. How do we banish him back to the abyss?

The 'ignore user' function is a good place to start. Added him/her weeks ago. 

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10 hours ago, Rippounet said:

I wonder what it means when the right is flirting with nauseous ideologies while the left is struggling to redefine itself to avoid the same kind of pitfalls. Because false equivalencies aside, it's quite clear that the left no longer plays with communism or marxism-leninism...

I still have this impression that the fall of the Soviet Union struck a terrible blow to the left in many Western countries (well, not in the US I guess, where the Cold War had already achieved that). But today, with inequality exploding and the middle-classes under various threats there's a real opportunity to seize the intellectual high-ground for decades.

The left has had the intellectual high-ground since the right started worshiping supply side economics in the 80s.  Doesn't matter when people actively vote against facts and science.

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