New Fire and Blood excerpt in Spanish with a travel to the Sunset Sea!

[Megorova]

On 11/17/2018 at 3:30 PM, Ckram said:

This sole excerpt has more to back up a "Quaithe = Alys Hill" theory than all of those "Quaithe = Shiera Seastar" ever had.

There is no evidence for the theory, that Quaithe is Alys Hill:

1. That ship in Asshai could be not Alys' ship.

2. Even if that is her ship, there's no evidences, that Alys was still alive, when that ship has arrived to Asshai.

3. Even if she was alive, and has safely arrived to Asshai, there's no reason why (or how) would she still be alive now.

(It takes many years to learn magic. There's no information, that indicates, that Alys Hill had any prior knowledge about magic, or had any magical abilities. If anyone, who has arrived to Asshai, could have became immortal, without any need to become a skilled magic user, then everyone in ASOIAF would have became immortal. Why to die, if you can go to Asshai, spend there a few years, learn magic, and then to live forever? While the theory, that Quaithe is Shiera Seastar, has more sense. There is a reason, why did Shiera Seastar went to Asshai - because Aegon V was looking for a method, how to hatch dragon eggs, so he sent his sorceress, his aunt Shiera, to Asshai. Shiera's mother, Serenei of Lys, was a skilled sorceress. Shiera herself was studying magic, since early childhood. So if she went to Asshai, then she arrived there already with a vast knowledge about all sorts of magic. Her own mother was using blood magic to retain her youth and beauty. So there's a high possibility, that Shiera Seastar knew a way to "immortality", even prior she went to Asshai. Egg did said to Dunk in The Sworn Sword, that Lady Shiera is bathing in blood. So it's more likely, that Quaithe is Shiera Seastar, that is still alive and looks much youger, than her real age, even though now she's 115 years old.)

4. There's no reason for Alys Hill to be interested in Targaryens, or to help Daenerys. While there's many reasons for Quaithe, to be involved with Dany, if Quaithe is Shiera Seastar.

5. There's nothing in scenes with Quaithe, that indicate, that she could be Alys Hill, but there are clues, that reveal, that she's Shiera Seastar:

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She dreamed. All her cares fell away from her, and all her pains as well, and she seemed to float upward into the sky. She was flying once again, spinning, laughing, dancing, as the stars wheeled around her and whispered secrets in her ear. "To go north, you must journey south. To reach the west, you must go east. To go forward, you must go back. To touch the light you must pass beneath the shadow."

"Quaithe?" Dany called. "Where are you, Quaithe?"

Then she saw. Her mask is made of starlight.

"Remember who you are, Daenerys," the stars whispered in a woman's voice. "The dragons know. Do you?"

~

After this chapter in ADWD, it becomes obvious, that "the whispering stars" is Quaithe. And it's not the first time, when Dany saw/heard those "stars". This is from AGOT, Dany IX:

She saw sunlight on the Dothraki sea, the living plain, rich with the smells of earth and death. Wind stirred the grasses, and they rippled like water. Drogo held her in strong arms, and his hand stroked her sex and opened her and woke that sweet wetness that was his alone, and the stars smiled down on them, stars in a daylight sky. "Home," she whispered as he entered her and filled her with his seed, but suddenly the stars were gone, and across the blue sky swept the great wings, and the world took flame. <- The stars in the daylight sky were replaced by wings and flame, because Quaithe has removed her "starlight" mask and her cape, and Dany saw, that Quaithe has Valyrian looks - Valyrians/dragonlords.

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Viserys stood before her, screaming. "The dragon does not beg, slut. You do not command the dragon. I am the dragon, and I will be crowned." The molten gold trickled down his face like wax, burning deep channels in his flesh. "I am the dragon and I will be crowned!" he shrieked, and his fingers snapped like snakes, biting at her nipples, pinching, twisting, even as his eyes burst and ran like jelly down seared and blackened cheeks. <- Stimulation of nipples is a method for inducing labour, Shiera was assisting Dany, when Dany was giving birth to Rhaego. But in her half-delusional state (caused either by magic, or by medication) Dany saw Shiera as Viserys (after Shiera/Quaithe has removed her mask and cape, and Dany saw her silver-gold hair and her mismatched eyes), because both Viserys and Quaithe/Shiera had Valyrian looks.

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Ghosts lined the hallway, dressed in the faded raiment of kings. In their hands were swords of pale fire. They had hair of silver and hair of gold and hair of platinum white, and their eyes were opal and amethyst, tourmaline and jade. <- Opals are two-colored stones, blue&green; secondary hue of some amethysts is blue; there are bi-colored tourmalines, including blue&green; there are several varieties of jades, but the most common is green and blue jade. And Shiera Seastar had mismatched eyes - one blue and the other one was green.

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After that, for a long time, there was only the pain, the fire within her, and the whisperings of stars. <- Whistering stars, same as in Dany's last chapter in ADWD, where she has identified those stars by their voice, that it's Quaithe.

So that expert, about that ship in Asshai, that was possibly Alys Hill's ship, has zero back up for a "Quaithe = Alys Hill" theory.

[HexMachina]

Way to miss the sarcasm

[naseridrl]

Elissa Farman seems more and more amazing, can certainly see why she'd have drawn Rhaena's eye.  And she got to fly on a dragon as well as sail the seas.  Poor Aerea though, that kid just wanted out of her life. 

Can certainly now see why Elissa had to change her name, she stole three dragon eggs from Rhaena and sold them to the Sealord of Braavos!  Wonder is a certain Targ in the novels has since hatched those.

[Lord Varys]

I say the name of the unnamed Sealord was Mopatis. Just sayin'.

[naseridrl]

Jae does mention Pentos first when he says where they must have eyes and ears, lol.

[Werthead]

On 11/18/2018 at 10:05 PM, Lord Varys said:

Back to the world thing:

George has gone on record saying that his globe is somewhat larger than ours, meaning that the Sunset Sea without any land between Westeros and whatever is the eastern coast of Ulthos and Essos would have to be, as large or perhaps even larger (depending on the size of Essos) than the Atlantic and Pacific combined.

And that would make for a nearly impossible or at least very dangerous trip for just one ship which has no inclination where there are islands and such to take on new supplies.

In that sense - if the Sun Chaser got to Asshai the western way, I'd say it is very likely that she would have made that journey by quite a few detours and such. The really daunting task is not crossing the Sunset Sea, but to actually navigate your way to Asshai.

And since we already discussed the whole trustworthiness of Gyldayn, sources, etc. issues I think I'll make a thread in the proper forum which one could make a sticky thing we could categorize the various scenes and events and theories Gyldayn gives us in a spectrum from 'looks like that's well attested' to 'seems to be nonsense the man (or the sources he never mentions) made up'.

I hope some of you are interested in that kind of thing after you have enjoyed the book ;-).

This is something I've explored in-depth.

And will have to probably revisit soon because of this book. Sigh.