The Winged Shadow Posted September 7, 2019 Share Posted September 7, 2019 Can't see them enforcing the follow on (assuming they can still do it). They'll want to rest the bowlers and put in a good 1000+ lead after last match . Can't see them being comfortable with 400 lead.... Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Jeor Posted September 7, 2019 Author Share Posted September 7, 2019 It'll be a bit different this time around. For one the pitch is showing signs of wear and tear - that last over from Lyon showed there was a lot of turn in the pitch, and there's been just a little bit of variable bounce. Secondly the element of time offers some protection for a target as well. If England only have 3.5 sessions to bat, that's about 110 overs and the rate for chasing down 400 would be prohibitive on a fifth day pitch. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
The Winged Shadow Posted September 7, 2019 Share Posted September 7, 2019 Sloppy from Archer. He knows it too going by his reaction. Someone needs to stick with Buttler. Leach should be moved up the order after his recent heroics! edit: Jesus christ, Paine haven't learned a thing with more of his shit reviews. Someone else needs to be in charge of Aussie DRS..... Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Jeor Posted September 7, 2019 Author Share Posted September 7, 2019 Paine still screwing up the reviews. They have to come up with a better system for using them, or at least have someone who is a better judge of them giving some more input to Paine. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Paxter Posted September 7, 2019 Share Posted September 7, 2019 2 hours ago, Jeor said: Root suffers a bit from comparison - the 1-1 conversion rates of Smith and Kohli are pretty insane even historically. A world-class batsman probably should have about 50% more 50s than 100s I reckon (e.g. 10 centuries, 15 half-centuries). Historical examples include Tendulkar (51/68 is quite good), Kallis (45/58 is impressive), Lara (34/48), Ponting (41/62). Steve Waugh is a little less impressive at 32/50 although he did bat at No. 5 for most of his career. A contemporary is Kane Williamson with a neat 20/30 which I'd say is pretty good. But note the names here, we are comparing historically great batsmen. I reckon that although Root's 16/43 is still below par, it's not ridiculously bad. Yes, it probably holds him back from being a historically great batsman but there was a good article showing that the Big Four really is only the Big Three (Smith/Kohli/Williamson). It's a bit like tennis where people wanted to make Andy Murray in the Big Four but really Federer/Nadal/Djokovic are comfortably ahead of him. Lol I certainly wouldn’t be comparing Root to Smith in this regard! And Steve Waugh is significantly better than Root - he converted just under 40% of his 50s to 100s. At 27%, Root is in the company of the likes of Brendon McCullum. And the trend is not his friend... Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Jeor Posted September 7, 2019 Author Share Posted September 7, 2019 12 minutes ago, Paxter said: Lol I certainly wouldn’t be comparing Root to Smith in this regard! And Steve Waugh is significantly better than Root - he converted just under 40% of his 50s to 100s. At 27%, Root is in the company of the likes of Brendon McCullum. And the trend is not his friend... Well yes, I think we can conclude from the data that Root is not a historically great batsman. He's certainly a good one, but in 50 years time when people look back on this era Root's name won't be mentioned. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
The Winged Shadow Posted September 7, 2019 Share Posted September 7, 2019 I think all four (Kane, Smith, Kohli and Root) were very similar level a couple of years back. It's just that not everyone kicked on. Smith pulled ahead quite significantly, while Kohli stayed at the same level. Kane dipped a bit while Root dipped significantly. But for a while there it was a really good four horse race! Hard to see anything but a draw from here. Unless Aussies bat very aggressively (could work out for Warner!). I don't think they can get England out in a day, considering Root has found some form and Burns looking very solid. Not to mention the impending Denly century! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Paxter Posted September 7, 2019 Share Posted September 7, 2019 13 minutes ago, Jeor said: Well yes, I think we can conclude from the data that Root is not a historically great batsman. He's certainly a good one, but in 50 years time when people look back on this era Root's name won't be mentioned. I think the trend in the numbers is also very interesting. Apart from any notions of historical greatness, it’s telling us something about a secular decline in form as well as the burden of the captaincy. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Paxter Posted September 7, 2019 Share Posted September 7, 2019 Broad gone. Get Denly back out there! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Philokles Posted September 7, 2019 Share Posted September 7, 2019 Never change Tim Paine Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
The Winged Shadow Posted September 7, 2019 Share Posted September 7, 2019 He is the new Watson Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Jeor Posted September 7, 2019 Author Share Posted September 7, 2019 At this rate Australia might as well start every innings with 0 reviews. I don't know what the stats are but I doubt they've been successful with one since the Joel Wilson horror show in the First Test. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Paxter Posted September 7, 2019 Share Posted September 7, 2019 A nice healthy lead for Australia. There is still enough time for a result in this match. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Jeor Posted September 7, 2019 Author Share Posted September 7, 2019 Well that's that, and England having narrowly avoided the follow-on have at least taken one tricky decision out of Paine's hands. Cummins very lucky with almost a no-ball on that delivery to Buttler. So assuming rain stays away then we have around 160 overs left in the match. You think Australia would want to get England in again before the end of play. Leading by around 200, if they bat for 50 overs they might be able to set a 350 target before inserting England again. I think they should be wary about trying to bat aggressively to set a higher total - the pitch is starting to deteriorate and Broad et al could be dangerous. I wonder if Warner will come out and just try to thump some quick runs - try and hit his way out of the form slump. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
The Winged Shadow Posted September 7, 2019 Share Posted September 7, 2019 5 minutes ago, Paxter said: A nice healthy lead for Australia. There is still enough time for a result in this match. One of the teams will need to collapse quite badly. Which is not that unlikely i guess..... Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Paxter Posted September 7, 2019 Share Posted September 7, 2019 Davey gone early again. You couldn't have had two more contrasting test comebacks than Smith vs. Warner/Bancroft. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Jeor Posted September 7, 2019 Author Share Posted September 7, 2019 Whatever else happens in this Ashes series, we may have Stuart Broad to thank for ending Warner's career. I reckon he must be in serious consideration for being dropped for the Fifth Test now. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Paxter Posted September 7, 2019 Share Posted September 7, 2019 I dunno Jeor...Warner will surely get a chance in the Australian summer against Pakistan and NZ. And he loves those flat wickets. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
The Winged Shadow Posted September 7, 2019 Share Posted September 7, 2019 Pax's mate Joe Burns might finally get his chance at this rate. Though Harris isn't looking much better. So Burns/Renshaw partnership, cmon! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Jeor Posted September 7, 2019 Author Share Posted September 7, 2019 Maybe he'll be recalled for the Australian summer, but surely the Fifth Test (if it's a decider) the selectors have to be at least seriously considering dropping him. Michael Holding on commentary just said that Australia's highest opening partnership for the series has been 13, which is a mind-boggling statistic of failure. Although his opening partner's scores haven't been much to write home about, Warner's own scores of 2, 8, 3, 5, 61, 0, 0, 0 are breathtakingly bad. He's averaging in single figures even with that half century. If this series is live (as I expect it will be) going into that last Test in a winner-takes-all match, I don't think the selectors can afford to stick with Warner. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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