House Lannister gold issues

[Universal Sword Donor]

5 hours ago, Bernie Mac said:

I don't think he is still the lawful heir. The murder of his father will have stripped him of that.

That is correct. He's been attainted

[John Suburbs]

2 hours ago, Universal Sword Donor said:

That is correct. He's been attainted

Can he be unattainted by a new king, or queen? Gregor's attaintment (attainting?) by Ned didn't seem to hold.

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2 minutes ago, John Suburbs said:

Can he be unattainted by a new king, or queen? Gregor's attaintment (attainting?) by Ned didn't seem to hold.

Would assume so. Jorah was gunning for a pardon, JonCon writes to Tommen to ask for his lands and titles to be restored, and it's something we see happen in real life quite a bit under William the Conqueror and before and during the War of the Roses.

[Lollygag]

12 hours ago, The Sleeper said:

That would be the reason Martin had Tyrion be in charge of the drains at the Rock. 

If he takes Casterly Rock with an army, he is more or less de facto lord of the Westerlands, particularly considering he is the lawful heir and lack of other options.

His conviction's relevance is only dependant on whose in charge and where there current interests lie. 

That would have a lot of parallels to this in that it involves crawling through tight spaces, tricks, lechery, stealing, etc. I've wondered if GRRM doesn't use ASOIAF to tell the truth about what happened long ago.

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 The World of Ice and Fire - The Westerlands

That was when the golden-haired rogue called Lann the Clever appeared from out of the east. Some say he was an Andal adventurer from across the narrow sea, though this was millennia before the coming of the Andals to Westeros. Regardless of his origins, the tales agree that somehow Lann the Clever winkled the Casterlys out of their Rock and took it for his own.

The precise method by which he accomplished this remains a matter of conjecture. In the most common version of the tale, Lann discovered a secret way inside the Rock, a cleft so narrow that he had to strip off his clothes and coat himself with butter in order to squeeze through. Once inside, however, he began to work his mischief, whispering threats in the ears of sleeping Casterlys, howling from the darkness like a demon, stealing treasures from one brother to plant in the bedchamber of another, rigging sundry snares and deadfalls. By such methods he set the Casterlys at odds with one another and convinced them that the Rock was haunted by some fell creature that would never let them live in peace.

Other tellers prefer other versions of the tale. In one, Lann uses the cleft to fill the Rock with mice, rats, and other vermin, thereby driving out the Casterlys. In another, he smuggles a pride of lions inside, and Lord Casterly and his sons are all devoured, after which Lann claims his lordship's wife and daughters for himself. The bawdiest of the stories has Lann stealing in night after night to have his way with the Casterly maidens whilst they sleep. In nine months time, these maids all give birth to golden-haired children whilst still insisting they had never had carnal knowledge of a man.

The last tale, ribald as it is, has certain intriguing aspects that might hint at the truth of what occurred. It is Archmaester Perestan's belief that Lann was a retainer of some sort in service to Lord Casterly (perhaps a household guard), who impregnated his lordship's daughter (or daughters, though that seems less likely), and persuaded her father to give him the girl's hand in marriage. If indeed this was what occurred, assuming (as we must) that Lord Casterly had no trueborn sons, then in the natural course of events the Rock would have passed to the daughter, and hence to Lann, upon the father's death.