Varysblackfyre321 Posted July 9, 2023 Share Posted July 9, 2023 Just now, butterweedstrover said: Having the idea that this is all Ukrainian free will ignores how many Ukrainians had to be killed, silenced, or lied to. How many were killed by who, who was silenced, what lies exactly where told Also you’ve inferred Bucha is a hoax. Justify that. 2 minutes ago, butterweedstrover said: And most under false promises that not much would change, just the money. I have no idea what this even refers to. 3 minutes ago, butterweedstrover said: But money always comes with strings attached, countries learn this after its too late. They’d be way better off in the EU and god willing nato. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
butterweedstrover Posted July 9, 2023 Share Posted July 9, 2023 1 minute ago, Ser Scot A Ellison said: If you kill enough Ukrainians they’ll accept they are really Russians… that’s your plan. Did it work for Stalin in the Holodomor? Come on, you have to read a bit more. The food was distributed to help stave off famines elsewhere in the country, but the best part was Stalin wasn't aware of the affects until Khrushchev told him. In fact it was Khrushchev that wanted to pin the blame on Stalin (which is why they all threw him under the bus). Bad management isn't the same as a desire to exterminate a population, unless you want to ignore Stalin's forcible Ukrainization of eastern territory. I mean what, do you think he wanted to wipe out a population of eastern slavs? They were more Russian than him. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Ser Scot A Ellison Posted July 9, 2023 Author Share Posted July 9, 2023 (edited) 3 minutes ago, butterweedstrover said: Russia has a ton of barrel bombs, they could level Kiev if they wanted to, but they are not trying to destroy the civilian population (like many pro-war westerners argue). The Russian’s are trying to destroy Ukraines distinct and seperate culture. Do you deny that is the Russian goal? Edited July 9, 2023 by Ser Scot A Ellison Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Varysblackfyre321 Posted July 9, 2023 Share Posted July 9, 2023 1 minute ago, Ser Scot A Ellison said: How does anything the US did in Iraq justify anything Russia is doing in Ukraine? Are you claiming Bucha was “all a big misunderstanding”? Though to be clear we’ve found more more mass graves since Bucha. Like it’s not a one off. Ser Scot A Ellison 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
butterweedstrover Posted July 9, 2023 Share Posted July 9, 2023 2 minutes ago, Ser Scot A Ellison said: How does anything the US did in Iraq justify anything Russia is doing in Ukraine? Are you claiming Bucha was “all a big misunderstanding”? lol, your not serious. Was Bucha part of a systemic plot to wipe out Ukrainian civilians? Why isn't it happening everywhere in Ukraine then? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Ser Scot A Ellison Posted July 9, 2023 Author Share Posted July 9, 2023 (edited) 4 minutes ago, butterweedstrover said: Come on, you have to read a bit more. The food was distributed to help stave off famines elsewhere in the country, but the best part was Stalin wasn't aware of the affects until Khrushchev told him. In fact it was Khrushchev that wanted to pin the blame on Stalin (which is why they all threw him under the bus). Bad management isn't the same as a desire to exterminate a population, unless you want to ignore Stalin's forcible Ukrainization of eastern territory. I mean what, do you think he wanted to wipe out a population of eastern slavs? They were more Russian than him. Stalin’s excuse for seizing every scrap of food he could get his hands on in Ukraine is that he didn’t know that seizing every scrap of food would cause starvation and mass death in Ukraine? Really? “Oops.. our bad a few million Ukrainians starved to death…we’ll make it up you.” Edited July 9, 2023 by Ser Scot A Ellison Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Ser Scot A Ellison Posted July 9, 2023 Author Share Posted July 9, 2023 1 minute ago, butterweedstrover said: lol, your not serious. Was Bucha part of a systemic plot to wipe out Ukrainian civilians? Why isn't it happening everywhere in Ukraine then? Is a Russian goal to wipe out Ukraine’s identity as a seperate and distinct culture? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
butterweedstrover Posted July 9, 2023 Share Posted July 9, 2023 1 minute ago, Varysblackfyre321 said: Though to be clear we’ve found more more mass graves since Bucha. Like it’s not a one off. Yeah, there must be a systemic execution of Ukrainians, that is why everyone in Kherson was left alive, and Mariupol is being rebuilt, can't have anything to do with burying dead civilians and military men, no impossible. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
A Horse Named Stranger Posted July 9, 2023 Share Posted July 9, 2023 29 minutes ago, butterweedstrover said: A lot of the stuff Russians see on media, the pride parades filled with public nudity, the twerking on children, the chemical injection into minors, etc. has made the more scared of the west. Surprised that one did go unchecked. Twerking on little children and injecting them with chemicals?! Ty, I told you it was a bad idea to do those things on camera. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Ser Scot A Ellison Posted July 9, 2023 Author Share Posted July 9, 2023 (edited) 2 minutes ago, butterweedstrover said: Yeah, there must be a systemic execution of Ukrainians, that is why everyone in Kherson was left alive, and Mariupol is being rebuilt, can't have anything to do with burying dead civilians and military men, no impossible. Is… a… Russian… goal… the… destruction… of… Ukrainian… culture… as… a… culture… distinct… from… Russia… ? For the third time. Edited July 9, 2023 by Ser Scot A Ellison Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
butterweedstrover Posted July 9, 2023 Share Posted July 9, 2023 1 minute ago, Ser Scot A Ellison said: Stalin’s excuse for seizing every scrap of food he could get his hands on in Ukraine is that he didn’t know that seizing every scrap of food would cause starvation and mass death in Ukraine? Really? “Oops.. our bad a few million Ukrainians died… we’ll make it up you.” Yeah, he wasn't the one doing it, but again you have to believe in a malicious plot meant to exterminate Ukrainians (Russians) for no reason in particular besides the fact that they were evil. Millions died from famine under Mao due to management, was he exterminating ethnic Chinese. The only people who believed this was Banderites, Nazis, and now western liberals. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Ser Scot A Ellison Posted July 9, 2023 Author Share Posted July 9, 2023 Just now, butterweedstrover said: Yeah, he wasn't the one doing it, but again you have to believe in a malicious plot meant to exterminate Ukrainians (Russians) for no reason in particular besides the fact that they were evil. Millions died from famine under Mao due to management, was he exterminating ethnic Chinese. The only people who believed this was Banderites, Nazis, and now western liberals. Wow. You’re sticking to millions of people starving to death as an “oops… our bad”. You are… proving… you are fucking deluded. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
butterweedstrover Posted July 9, 2023 Share Posted July 9, 2023 Just now, Ser Scot A Ellison said: Is… a… Russian… goal… the… destruction… of… Ukrainian… culture… as… a… distinct… culture… from… Russia… ? For the third time. You know Scot, maybe read some of my posts. But your answer is no. Or continue to suggest Bucha was a plan from the Russian government to exterminate the civilian population. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
butterweedstrover Posted July 9, 2023 Share Posted July 9, 2023 1 minute ago, Ser Scot A Ellison said: Wow. You’re sticking to millions of people starving to death as an “oops… our bad”. You are… proving… you are fucking deluded. Scot, are you saying it was ploy to exterminate the Ukrainian population? Please, tell us more. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Varysblackfyre321 Posted July 9, 2023 Share Posted July 9, 2023 5 minutes ago, butterweedstrover said: Yeah, there must be a systemic execution of Ukrainians, that is why everyone in Kherson was left alive, Yeah, so are all the mass graves fake or not there? 4 minutes ago, butterweedstrover said: Nazis You’ve literally excused imperialism over perceived blood ties, a clamp down on lgbt acceptance and a willful disdain towards democracy. I know Nazi is for people like just a word for your opposition it’s not much more more than an angry grunt. But it does mean more. Ser Scot A Ellison 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Ser Scot A Ellison Posted July 9, 2023 Author Share Posted July 9, 2023 (edited) 5 minutes ago, butterweedstrover said: You know Scot, maybe read some of my posts. But your answer is no. Or continue to suggest Bucha was a plan from the Russian government to exterminate the civilian population. You also need to read. You say Russians and Ukrainians are the same… they are all Russians… but there isn’t a Russian plan to eliminate the Ukrainian culture as a culture distinct and independent from Russian culture. Are the Orthodox Ukrainians I go church with lying? Edited July 9, 2023 by Ser Scot A Ellison Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Varysblackfyre321 Posted July 9, 2023 Share Posted July 9, 2023 4 minutes ago, butterweedstrover said: continue to suggest Bucha was a plan from the Russian government to exterminate the civilian population. Hey do you think brutal mass killings just be a method to instill fear in the rest of a population? 4 minutes ago, butterweedstrover said: Scot, are you saying it was ploy to exterminate the Ukrainian population? Please, tell us more. No just a lot of them. Trimming the flock so they can be easier to manage. Ser Scot A Ellison 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Varysblackfyre321 Posted July 9, 2023 Share Posted July 9, 2023 2 minutes ago, Ser Scot A Ellison said: there isn’t a Russian plan to eliminate the Ukrainian culture as a culture distinct and independent from Russian culture. Hell are the Russians lying to their own citizenry to make themselves appeal more evil for reasons? Ser Scot A Ellison 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
butterweedstrover Posted July 9, 2023 Share Posted July 9, 2023 (edited) 7 minutes ago, Varysblackfyre321 said: Hey do you think brutal mass killings just be a method to instill fear in the rest of a population? Hey, do you know what Bucha was, the event that happened AS the Russians were retreating. Or you keep believing this was an order from high up. 7 minutes ago, Varysblackfyre321 said: No just a lot of them. Trimming the flock so they can be easier to manage. cool, provide some internal Soviet documents that prove this. What we do know is Stalin wasn’t expecting the death toll. It was a famine, not just in Ukraine but across multiple territories. Many with far less agricultural output. The problem is with making theories based on assumptions, something with no evidence in a Soviet Union that forcibly expanded Ukrainian territory and language. Edited July 9, 2023 by butterweedstrover Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
butterweedstrover Posted July 9, 2023 Share Posted July 9, 2023 8 minutes ago, Varysblackfyre321 said: Hell are the Russians lying to their own citizenry to make themselves appeal more evil for reasons? 500 years and Ukraine is a provincial language. The territories Russia is fighting in were the ones that were forcibly Ukranianized. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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