RedEyedGhost Posted July 28, 2008 Share Posted July 28, 2008 Very good first episode, and I can't wait to see more. [quote name='rhombencephalon' post='1454504' date='Jul 24 2008, 09.24']Mmmm... Betty Draper... :drool:[/quote] indeed Does anybody else think, "I wonder what porno she's in?" [b]every[/b] time they hear/see the name January Jones? [quote name='Spiro T. Agnew' post='1458648' date='Jul 27 2008, 21.52']I don't think the book is going to Rachel Mencken. That's the obvious choice, and I'm betting on the headfake here.[/quote] I definitely agree that Mencken is the obvious choice, but I'm just not 100% sold on it being a headfake because she is such an obvious choice. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Rhom Posted July 28, 2008 Share Posted July 28, 2008 I thought it was a solid episode. Naturally, I was a fan of the "Betty in lingere" scene. I liked the typical Roger Sterling line "They say you're an alcoholic if you drink alone" as he walks into Drapers office and pours a drink. Betty continues to make me think "Just what exactly is going on with this chick?" I honestly thought she was going to trade sex for a fan-belt last night... Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Tears of Lys Posted July 28, 2008 Share Posted July 28, 2008 Yeah, me too. She makes me uncomfortable - which is great entertainment. You never know what to expect of her. That was a great scene where she's broken down on the side of the road. You're first worried she's going to be preyed upon, then the whole dynamic switches to where [b]she's[/b] preying on the tow truck guy. She's drawn to the concept of her beauty as a power play - spurred on by the meeting with her ex-roommate who's living it up as a "party girl." [quote name='rhombencephalon' post='1454504' date='Jul 24 2008, 11.24']Mmmm... Betty Draper... :drool:[/quote] She looked pretty damn good in that riding outfit, huh? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Rhom Posted July 28, 2008 Share Posted July 28, 2008 [quote name='Tears of Lys' post='1458958' date='Jul 28 2008, 09.46']She looked pretty damn good in that riding outfit, huh?[/quote] Indeed. I can certainly assure you that I would never have Don's "problems" if I was in his shoes... :smoking: Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Blaine Posted July 28, 2008 Share Posted July 28, 2008 [quote name='Spiro T. Agnew' post='1458648' date='Jul 27 2008, 22.52']While I wait for Matt Weiner's live chat to load up, some quick thoughts on episode 2.1, "For Those Who Think Young": Best line of the episode goes to one Pete Campbell, when asked what explains Peggy's 'charmed career': "Fat farm! I thought we had a verification!"[/quote] True dat. It reminds me of two of my favorite Pete lines from season 1: "Who put the chinamen in my office?" and "I came up with the idea for direct mail, sure it turns out that it already existed, but I came up with the idea independently." Moments like those are totally carried by Kartheiser's exuberant dumb-ness. He's so certain he's right that it makes those lines a lot funnier than they are on paper. [quote]The best moment of the episode, however, is Don on the elevator, telling that young whippersnapper to take off his hat; he's never seemed older than he did in that moment.[/quote] Yeah, I'm thinking that Don's arc is going to involve quite a bit of change. Of course, season 1 showed us that Don's not willfully ignorant of the coming cultural shift. He's smoked pot, been moved by folk music - I also think it's telling that he reads the book after the guy at the bar tells him, "I don't think you'll like it." I think he definitely feels threatened by the "youth" movement... but Don's a survivor. He'll find a way to make it work for him. [quote]I don't think the book is going to Rachel Mencken. That's the obvious choice, and I'm betting on the headfake here.[/quote] Hmmm. If it's not, then my money is on it going to someone we haven't met. [quote]I didn't think the episode could get more uncomfortable after Pete and Trudie started discussing her failure to conceive, and then we cut to Don and Betty at the Savoy. I commented to my friend that this must be the first time that we've seen Don having sex with his wife, but that turned out not to be true. (Betty, bless her heart, handles it in the exact wrong way too.) Speaking of Betty, she is going to send poor Sally Draper to therapy soon: not only mentioning the death of the little girl in Gone With The Wind, but her line to the other woman at the stables, the one with the daughter who was skipping lunch at school: "At least she'll be getting slim." Your mom did a number on you, Betty Draper.[/quote] I'm most impressed with the changes that seem to have taken place in Betty and Peggy. Both, in their own way, are coming into their own. Peggy is the most blunt, berating a woman in her old position and obviously lunging at opportunities to please Don as a copywriter. Betty, however, is now more like a rebellious teen than the sad child she was last season. She's attempting to shed her naivete about the world, either in conversation with Francine and openly flirting with the mechanic. It almost seems like Betty is trying to turn into Joan. [quote]And finally, [url="http://sepinwall.blogspot.com/2008/07/mad-men-for-those-who-think-young-get.html"]Alan Sepinwall argues[/url] that Peggy couldn't have skipped several months and kept her job without one of her superiors knowing, probably Don. I'm inclined to agree. Thoughts?[/quote] I'd say that's possible. But she also could have faked an illness. I definitely didn't pick up on any clues that Don knew anything in this episode. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Anya, Vengeance Demon Posted July 28, 2008 Share Posted July 28, 2008 [quote name='Blaine23' post='1459117' date='Jul 28 2008, 12.02']I'd say that's possible. But she also could have faked an illness. I definitely didn't pick up on any clues that Don knew anything in this episode.[/quote] I don't think that she faked an illness, because nobody mentioned that when speculating about where she went, and I feel like that would have gotten around as the official explanation if true. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
MeanMrMustard Posted July 28, 2008 Share Posted July 28, 2008 The best show on television in this brave new post-Wire world. [quote]I came up with the idea for direct mail, sure it turns out that it already existed, but I came up with the idea independently.[/quote] This shit happened to me all the time in undergrad. Clearly, had I lived in the 17th century, I could have done foundational work in a variety of fields. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Blaine Posted July 28, 2008 Share Posted July 28, 2008 [quote name='Spiro T. Agnew' post='1459121' date='Jul 28 2008, 11.07']I don't think that she faked an illness, because nobody mentioned that when speculating about where she went, and I feel like that would have gotten around as the official explanation if true.[/quote] Good point. But I'm still not certain Don knows. Even if he did, I'm not sure how Dick "Whoreson" Whitman would've reacted to her telling him. It doesn't fit with him continuing to favor her creative work. Oh another one of my favorite lines was a toss-off during Don's critique of Paul's pun-heavy copy headlines. "Quit writing for writers." Good advice then and now. But very, very much out of sync with where advertising was going. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Rhom Posted July 28, 2008 Share Posted July 28, 2008 There's gotta be advertising for people without a sense of humor. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
dornish prince Posted July 28, 2008 Author Share Posted July 28, 2008 thinking back on how last season ended, i got the impression that don realized that he had reached a cross roads in his life in regards to his family. this season, so far anyway, it seems like he's decided to be more of a family man and everything. does anyone else think that maybe since he no longer has that other side of his life that's his alone, i.e. the womanizing, he's gotten in to a rut sexually and thus has a need for cialis?? i think it ties into the book mailing...i believe it's going to one of his flings. ETA: with the time gap falling the way it did, i'm reasonably sure we're gonna get an episode dealing the the JFK assassination. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Commodore Posted July 28, 2008 Share Posted July 28, 2008 There was a scene in [i]The Sopranos[/i] where Tony makes a guy take his hat off, I wonder if that was an homage of some sort. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Anya, Vengeance Demon Posted July 28, 2008 Share Posted July 28, 2008 [quote name='dornish prince' post='1459390' date='Jul 28 2008, 15.40']does anyone else think that maybe since he no longer has that other side of his life that's his alone, i.e. the womanizing, he's gotten in to a rut sexually and thus has a need for cialis??[/quote] I'm not an expert on the subject, but apparently phenobarbital (which Don is currently taking) has impotence as a side effect. So I don't think that boredom is the sole cause. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
dornish prince Posted July 28, 2008 Author Share Posted July 28, 2008 [quote name='Spiro T. Agnew' post='1459396' date='Jul 28 2008, 15.43']I'm not an expert on the subject, but apparently phenobarbital (which Don is currently taking) has impotence as a side effect. So I don't think that boredom is the sole cause.[/quote] ah...i see. thanks, STA. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Anya, Vengeance Demon Posted July 28, 2008 Share Posted July 28, 2008 [quote name='dornish prince' post='1459410' date='Jul 28 2008, 15.58']ah...i see. thanks, STA.[/quote] On the same subject--and I don't know what relevance this has, necessarily--phenobarbital is the tool of choice in a number of famous suicides, in particular Abbie Hoffman's and the mass suicide of the Heaven's Gate cult. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
dornish prince Posted July 28, 2008 Author Share Posted July 28, 2008 [quote name='Spiro T. Agnew' post='1459417' date='Jul 28 2008, 16.04']On the same subject--and I don't know what relevance this has, necessarily--phenobarbital is the tool of choice in a number of famous suicides, in particular Abbie Hoffman's and the mass suicide of the Heaven's Gate cult.[/quote] interesting. i just wiki'd it and apparently it's used in connection with patients that suffer seizures. did i miss something in the don/physical scene?? i remember that his blood pressure was up but that's it. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Tears of Lys Posted July 28, 2008 Share Posted July 28, 2008 Wasn't Don prescribed the pheno [i]after[/i] he and Betty's attempt at a romp at the Savoy? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Anya, Vengeance Demon Posted July 28, 2008 Share Posted July 28, 2008 [quote name='Tears of Lys' post='1459453' date='Jul 28 2008, 16.33']Wasn't Don prescribed the pheno [i]after[/i] he and Betty's attempt at a romp at the Savoy?[/quote] I might have my timeline wrong here, but I believe that Don is prescribed the pheno at the doctor's appointment in the beginning of the episode, and then is taking it when he speaks with Roger about hiring young people for creative later that day. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Tears of Lys Posted July 28, 2008 Share Posted July 28, 2008 It's entirely possible that [i]my[/i] drug-taking is interferring with my perception of [i]Don's[/i] drug-taking. :P Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Blaine Posted July 28, 2008 Share Posted July 28, 2008 [quote name='dornish prince' post='1459427' date='Jul 28 2008, 15.11']interesting. i just wiki'd it and apparently it's used in connection with patients that suffer seizures. did i miss something in the don/physical scene?? i remember that his blood pressure was up but that's it.[/quote] I'd attribute that to the era. This is time when docs also prescribed heavy sedatives to "stressed" housewives - a la Mother's Little Helper. The pharma industry didn't offer a ton of different medicines... but those that were around were strong as hell. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
RedEyedGhost Posted July 29, 2008 Share Posted July 29, 2008 That 160/100 BP may have something to do with his impotency :stunned: Although, storywise they seemed to be implying that he was bored or stuck-in-a-rut with only has his wife to sleep with imo. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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