sologdin Posted May 1, 2010 Share Posted May 1, 2010 I hate everything.try mieville, gene wolfe, mervyn peake.if those fail, it's time to start writing your own epic serial fantasy. correct the genre's errors, &c. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Martin Silenus Posted May 1, 2010 Share Posted May 1, 2010 I hate everything.try mieville, gene wolfe, mervyn peake.if those fail, it's time to start writing your own epic serial fantasy. correct the genre's errors, &c.Busting out with the Mervyn Peake! I have a suspicion Grumpy Smurf hates gothic mannerpunk.Someone mentioned Angela Carter. Warren Ellis. All highly recommended as well. I can't vouch for Wolfe or Mieville but they aren't exactly pushing fictionware a la Terry Fillintheblank.Let us know what you dig damn it! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Foreverlad Posted May 1, 2010 Share Posted May 1, 2010 The lack of Daniel Abraham in this thread disturbs me. Long Price Quartet. Each book improves on the one before it. Skinny books. Convention defying. No filler. All characters are shades of gray. Very unique system of magic. Soft economic porn. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
murf99 Posted May 1, 2010 Share Posted May 1, 2010 Try Brian Ruckley's Godless World Trilogy. Also Peter V Brett is really good. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
sargraf Posted May 1, 2010 Share Posted May 1, 2010 The lack of Daniel Abraham in this thread disturbs me.Long Price Quartet. Each book improves on the one before it. Skinny books. Convention defying. No filler. All characters are shades of gray. Very unique system of magic. Soft economic porn.I'm not the OP, but your description of this series has intrigued me. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
sologdin Posted May 1, 2010 Share Posted May 1, 2010 Grumpy Smurfsomeone just earned a custom title. good job! too bad n00bs can't set that shit. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
The Evil Hat Posted May 1, 2010 Share Posted May 1, 2010 My main recommendation would be VanderMeer's City of Saints and the Madmen. Totally different from anything else out there, and a mind blowing read to boot. Definitely also do China Mieville and Mervyn Peake. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
moirne Posted May 1, 2010 Share Posted May 1, 2010 I can definitely relate to this thread. I read mostly Young Adult fantasy because after GRRM, adult fantasy just doesn't cut it for me. Here's some good series I've come across:Incarceron- Catherine Fisher(book 2 coming out in December)The Alchemyst- Michael Scott (book 4 coming out this month)You might also try some fantasy series by Diana Wynne Jones.As for Neil Gaiman, I didn't like Neverwhere either. Stardust, Coraline, Interworld, and The Graveyard Book are interesting though. I liked a lot of his short stories too.If you like classic lit and fantasy, I would recommend Jonathan Strange & Mr. Norrel- Susanna Clarke. She also has short stories The Ladies of Grace Adieu that were very good too. Jasper Fforde also combines lit and fantasy with his Thursday Next series.The Book of Lost Things- John Connolly is one of my favorite stand alone fantasy novels. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
fall787 Posted May 1, 2010 Author Share Posted May 1, 2010 Summary so far:-Once and Future King - will read ( i love standalones, sceptical of series)-Gomenghast - a maybe-Long Prince Quartet - probably not - don't like what I'm seeing in reviews-Godless World - not going to bother with another series-Mieville - not sure I'm into this type of books, but might give a shot to select 1-Wolfe - read a few, do not want-Brett - do not want "demons"-Cromwell - a maybe-Will check on the rest of suggestions laterAfter the 20+ drivel debut books I've read in the last little while, I am very cautious of new authors. Basically, I'd like to see a solid standalone before taking up a series. Not sure if that makes sense. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Datepalm Posted May 1, 2010 Share Posted May 1, 2010 Summary so far:-Once and Future King - will read ( i love standalones, sceptical of series)-Gomenghast - a maybe-Long Prince Quartet - probably not - don't like what I'm seeing in reviews-Godless World - not going to bother with another series-Mieville - not sure I'm into this type of books, but might give a shot to select 1-Wolfe - read a few, do not want-Brett - do not want "demons"-Cromwell - a maybe-Will check on the rest of suggestions laterAfter the 20+ drivel debut books I've read in the last little while, I am very cautious of new authors. Basically, I'd like to see a solid standalone before taking up a series. Not sure if that makes sense.Y'know, its not strictly illegal, or even immoral to put down a book. Libraries are your friend. So far the only things you categorically like are ASOIAF and Amber, correct? So complicated characters, a fair amount of badassery, 'gritiness', and not necesarrily standard, linear storytelling:I'll second Meiville, Whittemore, Valente, Donaldsons Gap and Mary Gentles Ash, as well as Dan Simmons - Hyperion or the Terror. All are standalones or completed series, and Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Barnes Posted May 1, 2010 Share Posted May 1, 2010 I'd like to hear of a few more books you did like, if there are any? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
peterbound Posted May 1, 2010 Share Posted May 1, 2010 So complicated characters, a fair amount of badassery, 'gritiness', and not necesarrily standard, linear storytelling:Again, Kearney fits all those pre-reqs. And just for the record, anyone that hasn't recommended him should go out and read him as well. The 10,000 is a stand alone if that's your bag. But you should search around for the Monarchies of God books, it's got freaking were-wolfs raping people man! That's not something you see everyday. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
fall787 Posted May 1, 2010 Author Share Posted May 1, 2010 I'd like to hear of a few more books you did like, if there are any?Sure, but we're talking about fantasy here, aren't we? Or do you mean it'd help if I listed which non-fantasy I like? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Datepalm Posted May 1, 2010 Share Posted May 1, 2010 Again, Kearney fits all those pre-reqs. And just for the record, anyone that hasn't recommended him should go out and read him as well. The 10,000 is a stand alone if that's your bag. But you should search around for the Monarchies of God books, it's got freaking were-wolfs raping people man! That's not something you see everyday.Charming, I've no doubt. Sure, but we're talking about fantasy here, aren't we? Or do you mean it'd help if I listed which non-fantasy I like?Sure, why not? Fantasy has its myriads of subcategories, but I think whether someone likes a book still usually comes down to whether the style of plot/setting/characterization/prose/theme are somethign they enjoy rather than whether its percisely a steampunk space opera or a low epic secondary world supernatural. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
a2t Posted May 2, 2010 Share Posted May 2, 2010 Jeff Vandermeer: Shriek: An AfterwordMatthew Woodring Stover: Heroes DieJack Vance: The Eyes of the Overworld, Cugel's SagaGene Wolfe: The Knight, The WizardKelly Link: Magic for BeginnersHaruki Murakami: The Wind-Up Bird ChronicleMikhail Bulgakov: The Master and MargaritaCarlos Ruiz Zafón: The Shadow of the WindNo particular order here. I only realized in making this test I probably have a 70/30 pref. for scifi.Edit:I read above: "So complicated characters, a fair amount of badassery, 'gritiness', and not necesarrily standard, linear storytelling:"I recommend Heroes Die, which is not really a series. Each book stands on its own, and I like the first best anyway. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Max the Mostly Mediocre Posted May 2, 2010 Share Posted May 2, 2010 But you should search around for the Monarchies of God books, it's got freaking were-wolfs raping people man! That's not something you see everyday.In the first place, no you shouldn't, because at some point they're going to release a revised and, one hopes, improved version of the series. This year, theoretically.In the second place, could you try to be slightly less creepy? :P Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
RedEyedGhost Posted May 2, 2010 Share Posted May 2, 2010 In the first place, no you shouldn't, because at some point they're going to release a revised and, one hopes, improved version of the series. This year, theoretically.In the second place, could you try to be slightly less creepy? :PJuly 27th for part 1 - Hawkwood and KingsAugust 31st for part 2 - Century of the Soldier(amazon has the covers posted backwards)Corvus is due October 26th.And this might just be the perfect game for peterbound, enjoy ;) Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
figment Posted May 3, 2010 Share Posted May 3, 2010 If you didn't like Wolfe then I'm not sure you will like Mieville but try Perdido Street Station if you try anything. Regarding Kay, Lions is my favorite of his with the Sarantium duo under that. I did not really like Tigana after the first quarter of the book.I suppose I might raise Jackal of Nar by J. Marco but only halfheartedly since I thought it was uneven military fiction but it was frequently brought up in the same breath as Martin 10 years ago. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Serious Callers Only Posted May 3, 2010 Share Posted May 3, 2010 Dune is a good series for people who are profoundly cynical (except perhaps the Deus Ex Teg at the end of book 5). Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Sheep the Evicted Posted May 3, 2010 Share Posted May 3, 2010 The lack of Daniel Abraham in this thread disturbs me. Long Price Quartet. Each book improves on the one before it. Skinny books. Convention defying. No filler. All characters are shades of gray. Very unique system of magic. Soft economic porn.IMO if he didnt like Hobb he won't like Abraham. Also i agree with everything you said except no filler - i thought it had filler in spades, particularly in the first two books. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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