Shryke Posted October 5, 2010 Share Posted October 5, 2010 Well, primaries could be considered the two major US political parties giving the impression to the public that they are the only options for election by having the selection of the candidates they plan to offer for the general election paid for by the US taxpayers.I think it's more the other way around. BECAUSE the 2 parties are the only viable options, Americans get a say in who they nominate and how they function. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Shryke Posted October 5, 2010 Share Posted October 5, 2010 Some news on the demographics front:As Democrats struggle to fend of losses in next month's midterm elections, a new survey by the Pew Hispanic Center delivers a good-news, bad-news message from a key voting bloc. Latinos continue to overwhelmingly support Democrats, but they appear less motivated than the overall electorate to actually turn out and vote.http://www.npr.org/templates/story/story.php?storyId=130348464&ft=1&f=1001Another story on this:http://www.npr.org/blogs/itsallpolitics/2010/10/05/130349108/latino-political-sentiment-scary-news-for-gop?ft=1&f=1001 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Tormund Ukrainesbane Posted October 5, 2010 Share Posted October 5, 2010 Yes, exactly. But the key point is where this happens. And where it happens is, almost exclusively, in the Primaries. That's when you can push for a more leftist candidate or what have you. It's viable for a candidate to adopt policies of his primary opponents as he moves on to the general election, but it just doesn't happen very much after the nominee is chosen. It fucks up your messaging too much.The primaries are run by the 2 parties. How the hell are you supposed to choose a 3rd party in the primaries? This makes no sense. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Alcibiades Posted October 5, 2010 Share Posted October 5, 2010 Whoever makes the next thread should give it the same number as the national debt, hehe. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Shryke Posted October 5, 2010 Share Posted October 5, 2010 The primaries are run by the 2 parties. How the hell are you supposed to choose a 3rd party in the primaries? This makes no sense.In the primaries you can choose a candidate/push an agenda that more accurately reflects your views. Thereby attempting to make the party more like what you want it to be. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Ser Scot A Ellison Posted October 5, 2010 Share Posted October 5, 2010 Shryke,So I can vote for libertarian leaning Democrats and Republicans? What if none are offered? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
alguien Posted October 5, 2010 Share Posted October 5, 2010 Shryke,So I can vote for libertarian leaning Democrats and Republicans? What if none are offered?Scot, if you want us to support your run for office, there's no need to be so coy. ;) Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Tormund Ukrainesbane Posted October 5, 2010 Share Posted October 5, 2010 In the primaries you can choose a candidate/push an agenda that more accurately reflects your views. Thereby attempting to make the party more like what you want it to be. My point exactly. We need to take power from the parties, not increase it. Why are you so dead-set on the status quo? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Ser Scot A Ellison Posted October 5, 2010 Share Posted October 5, 2010 Alguien,So, I can run for more than one office at a time when there aren't libertarian leanin candidates offered? Because it's more than one office up for election. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Andriy Czarchenko Posted October 5, 2010 Share Posted October 5, 2010 Shryke,So I can vote for libertarian leaning Democrats and Republicans? What if none are offered?Then you vote for the one who is closest to you. Or are you really implying that if someone doesn´t agree with you on everything they can´t be closer to your position than someone who disagrees with you on everything? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Ser Scot A Ellison Posted October 5, 2010 Share Posted October 5, 2010 Czar,I don't care to empower major party candidates unless they are pretty close to my views. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Andriy Czarchenko Posted October 5, 2010 Share Posted October 5, 2010 Czar,I don't care to empower major party candidates unless they are pretty close to my views.Then you´ve already lost the general no matter what happens. Having someone who agrees with you on 1 area is always better than having someone you disagree entirely. Look at it this way: Voting for someone in the primary isn´t about empowering him, rather it´s about disempowering the potential candidates who are even worse. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
alguien Posted October 5, 2010 Share Posted October 5, 2010 Alguien,So, I can run for more than one office at a time when there aren't libertarian leanin candidates offered? Because it's more than one office up for election.Scot, joking aside, I'm not sure. While I'm comfortably Democrat, I get the sense that there are conservatives (such as yourself) who feel that there isn't any credible candidate right now who represents their view. I've said many times that I wish there was a COHESIVE socially-liberal fiscally-conservative option, as opposed to the opposite, (socially conservative and fiscally insane) which tends to grab the headlines. My only other suggestion, and this is what my joke sort of implied, is to, as Ghandi says, "be the change you wish to see." That is, either run, help organize, donate, and do something to create a viable third party. However, for people who don't have the time or inclination for this, than yes, vote for which ever candidate is the lesser of two evils who represents you more. Or don't vote, but acknowledge that abstaining can actually do steps to make things worse. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Ser Scot A Ellison Posted October 5, 2010 Share Posted October 5, 2010 Czar,"You tried your best and failed miserably what did you learn? Never try". - Homer Simpson. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Andriy Czarchenko Posted October 5, 2010 Share Posted October 5, 2010 Czar,"You tried your best and failed miserably what did you learn? Never try". - Homer Simpson.Sorry Scot, I have no clue what the hell you´re trying to say here. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Shryke Posted October 5, 2010 Share Posted October 5, 2010 My point exactly. We need to take power from the parties, not increase it. Why are you so dead-set on the status quo?I'm not dead set on the status quo. I'm pointing out how you change the status quo. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Tormund Ukrainesbane Posted October 5, 2010 Share Posted October 5, 2010 I'm not dead set on the status quo. I'm pointing out how you change the status quo. By voting for the people who maintain the status quo? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Shryke Posted October 5, 2010 Share Posted October 5, 2010 By voting for the people who maintain the status quo?By voting for people to influence the positions of the parties away from the status quo. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Tormund Ukrainesbane Posted October 5, 2010 Share Posted October 5, 2010 By voting for people to influence the positions of the parties away from the status quo. Your way of changing the status quo makes no sense whatsoever. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Ser Scot A Ellison Posted October 5, 2010 Share Posted October 5, 2010 Czar,Sorry Scot, I have no clue what the hell you´re trying to say here.I'm saying that by going for the major party candidate who's "closest to my position" I'm ceding the field to the two major parties particularly when they aren't offering anyone who's close to my position. Democrats want to use government in areas I don't want government used. Likewise Republicans want to use government in different areas I don't want it used. Therefore supporting either party candidate seems like giving up because you can't win otherwise. Hence the Simpsons quote. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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