Sand Snake No. 9 Posted July 21, 2011 Share Posted July 21, 2011 In the chapters about the wedding at Winterfell and its aftermath, did it strike you as strange that none of the Stark's loyal bannermen spoke to "Arya"? Not even to wish her well and make the usual polite noises? After all, she is supposedly the last surviving member of an ancient and respected house, you'd think they'd pay her some hommage. Equally strange, after the wedding, when she was confined to Ramsey's bedchamber, everybody just forgot about her? Only Lady Whatsis noticed her crying, and she only spoke to Theon about it.Anyway, I was trying to decide whether this snubbing of the Lady of Winterfell meant (1) all of the Lords knew she was a fake, (2) they were all so afraid of Ramsey Bolton that they didn't dare speak to his bride, or (3) GRRM just couldn't be bothered to give her more screen time. Any thoughts?Agggggh! Typos! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
tze Posted July 21, 2011 Share Posted July 21, 2011 Is anyone else slightly annoyed/curious that Stannis is executing cannibals, but Renly remembers Stannis preparing them to eat corpses back during the seige of Storm's End?My question is this: the Northerners following Stannis (the clansmen and Mors Umber, not counting the treacherous Arnolf Karstark) aren't going "OMG, Stannis does have the best claim to the Iron Throne, all hail King Stannis!" They're basically using him to destroy the Boltons and get back Arya. Really, only one guy has actually said "Yes, I'll support Stannis as King, if you do this one thing for me": Lord Manderly. Lord Manderly. The cannibal. Stannis has been executing his own men for cannibalism in a time when cannibalism actually makes sense. Manderly's little joke with the pies won't stay secret forever. So will Stannis try and execute him? I think he totally will. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
The Lost Lord Posted July 21, 2011 Share Posted July 21, 2011 Just noticed that Xaro told Dany that Pyat Pree and three other warlocks set out from Qarth to seek for her in Pentos. In AFFC Euron Greyjoy describes capturing a ship with four Qartheen warlocks "who told a curious tale" -- Euron kills one and feeds him to the other three. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
the iron price Posted July 21, 2011 Share Posted July 21, 2011 During the feast with the Frey pie Manderly says MayhapsManderly actually drops the "mayhaps" in the last Theon chapter, and not during the Frey pie feast, although that would have been even cooler. Awesome anyway...go fat man! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
the iron price Posted July 21, 2011 Share Posted July 21, 2011 What about the corpses in the ice cells that don't become wights? I only noticed when Jon noticed, which is the same time he thought of their iron shackles.Iron, which according to rumor keeps the ghosts of the Starks confined in their crypt in Winterfell.Anyone else think there might be something to that?As someone had mentioned up above I believe the wights that attacked Mormont in aGoT did not reanimate until they got to Castle Black, unless they were playing dead...I kind of thought the reason these corpses didn't reanimate was that they were not killed by Others...I might be wrong but for some reason I got the idea that any old body wouldn't just get up on it's own, that the Others needed to have some sort of contact with it (if not killing it directly)...like I said though I could be off, I don't really have any evidence to support it, I just kind of got that impression for some reason. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
tze Posted July 21, 2011 Share Posted July 21, 2011 The cloaked man Theon randomly encounters calls him "Theon Turncloak" AND "Theon Kinslayer". Everyone at Winterfell uses the former, but only the spearwives/washerwomen use the latter, presumably because, in wildling culture, a foster child is "part of the clan" (remember how Ygritte tells Jon that a wife should be stolen from a different clan because otherwise it would be like marrying your sister). Could this be a hint that Mance snuck additional (wildling) men inside Winterfell? I can't imagine he'd tell someone like Theon his entire plan---hell, he never even told Theon his real name. The seemingly random murders might have served a dual purpose: turn Winterfell's inhabitants against each other AND get rid of people who spotted Mance bringing in extra wildlings. Theon took the castle via grappling hooks, in the dead of night; Mance might have snuck some additional men in by dressing them in white, getting the spearwives to distract/kill anyone in the vicinity, and then bringing the men over Winterfell's walls. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
The Non-Human Posted July 21, 2011 Share Posted July 21, 2011 The bit about Eddard saying "let them grow as close as brothers" or something to that effect reminds me of what Theon says on the next chapter. Something about Robb having been the closest thing to a brother to him, and that he wishes he had died with him. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Nukelavee Posted July 21, 2011 Share Posted July 21, 2011 Or, y'know..the mysterious dude Theon meets is the Blackfish.Getting him there is easy - he leaves Riverrun, takes a boat/ship to White Harbour, and talks to Manderly, and helps plan his revenge. Hides in plain sight as a sworn man, travels to Winterfell to grab Arya... Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Patrick Tully Posted July 22, 2011 Share Posted July 22, 2011 I still think it makes FAR more sense for Lanna to be a bastard daughter of Gerion Lannister who was lost at sea (or heck maybe trueborn if he married foolishly in the same fashion Tyrion did Tysha). Even IF Tyrion happened to get Tysha pregnant, after what she was put through by them, I can't imagine her wistfully pining away for her husband and naming her daughter after his family.Except in ADwD Tyrion remembers Gerion left almost 10 years ago. Lanna should be older than that would make her. AFFC they said the Sailor's Wife hadn't seen her husband since she was no older than little Lanna. BTW - to the original poster, the info about Lanna being the daughter of The Sailor's Wife was in the AFFC appendix also. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
unJon Posted July 22, 2011 Share Posted July 22, 2011 I love the Mel has a glamour theory. More evidence: She has the ruby red pendant that beats with an inner light. That is exactly like the beating ruby that Mance has when the Rattleshirt glamour is active. And Mel says a word that turns the ruby off in the scene where he switches back to Mance. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Miriel Posted July 22, 2011 Share Posted July 22, 2011 Just noticed that Xaro told Dany that Pyat Pree and three other warlocks set out from Qarth to seek for her in Pentos. In AFFC Euron Greyjoy describes capturing a ship with four Qartheen warlocks "who told a curious tale" -- Euron kills one and feeds him to the other three.Good catch! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Gareds Head Posted July 22, 2011 Share Posted July 22, 2011 In the Wayward Bride chapter there's a nice little line that pays hommage to the diety that Robert E Howard's Conan swears by."....insisted Cromm, who had never met a woman he loved half as much as battle" Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
DonalNoye Posted July 22, 2011 Share Posted July 22, 2011 Do we know of Pyp and Grenn went with Cotter Pyke to Hardholme? Jon sent them both to Eastwatch, right? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Morrigan Posted July 22, 2011 Share Posted July 22, 2011 The appendix confirms that Lanna is the Sailor's Wife's daughter. Apparently whores go to Braavos and Tyrion has a trueborn daughter.Wait, what? Because some luxury whore named her daughter Lanna (a fairly common girl's name), we assume that she's Tysha? :shocked: Am I the only one who thought that Mormont's crow saying "Jon Snow" was a monumental moment? My first thought was of Bran warging into the crow and finding Jon and speaking out. Any thoughts?I thought it was Bran warging into the crow too.I also thought that the whole story of Queen Danerys and the Water Garden was a nice bit of foreshadowing.. especially when she says that all children, high and lowborn, look the same. I don't for a minute think that Aegon is the real Aegon. Hence all children, high and lowborn, look the same. Good point! I also thought for sure that Aegon was a False Dragon (tm Jordan, lol), but Varys's epilogue sorta confused me on that... Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
BrainFireBob Posted July 23, 2011 Share Posted July 23, 2011 um, no, i don't think so; at least according to Seinfeld, it's not. Non-dwarf parents can have dwarf children, so it has to be recessive.EDIT: I see what you're saying about the mutation, so maybe you're right.Let's review dominant genes.You can be homozygous (meaning two copies) of a trait or not a trait.You can be heterozygous (meaning one copy of the gene, and one copy without) for a trait.Dominant genes are expressed in homozygous people.As I recall, dwarfism is dominant, and being homozygous for it is fatal. (I also seem to recall it being caused by two different genes, but either one is dominant). So, anyone with dwarfism mating with someone without dwarfism:50% chance of a child with dwarfism50% without.Dominant does not equal "always passed on".Tyrion can have normal-sized kids. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
yakatuus Posted July 23, 2011 Share Posted July 23, 2011 -The appendix confirms that Lanna is the Sailor's Wife's daughter. Apparently whores go to Braavos and Tyrion has a trueborn daughter.I missed this. Where? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
you wouldn't know me Posted July 23, 2011 Share Posted July 23, 2011 Probably already brought up but if R + L = J then Jon might be named after Jon Connington since him and Rhaegar were like BFF! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
emmank Posted July 23, 2011 Share Posted July 23, 2011 didn't read the whole thread, but did anyone else notice that one of "Arya's" regular bathwater carriers is named "Maisie"? I immediately thought of Maisie Williams - possible tip of the hat? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Sword of the Morning Posted July 24, 2011 Share Posted July 24, 2011 My question is this: the Northerners following Stannis (the clansmen and Mors Umber, not counting the treacherous Arnolf Karstark) aren't going "OMG, Stannis does have the best claim to the Iron Throne, all hail King Stannis!" They're basically using him to destroy the Boltons and get back Arya. Really, only one guy has actually said "Yes, I'll support Stannis as King, if you do this one thing for me": Lord Manderly. Lord Manderly. The cannibal. Stannis has been executing his own men for cannibalism in a time when cannibalism actually makes sense. Manderly's little joke with the pies won't stay secret forever. So will Stannis try and execute him? I think he totally will.Fear not, Stannis will be long dead by that point . . . Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
senorwhack Posted July 24, 2011 Share Posted July 24, 2011 not sure if anyone got to this, but im pretty sure the raven calls jon by his full name is because bran is warging into that raven, and i think the braavosi banker gave stannis the message about arnolf karstark. this is gonna play into bolton thinking he defeated stannis somehow. and what were the horns blowing outside of winterfell? mors umber? the coming nw with the banker in tow? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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