Lord of Oop North Posted September 7, 2011 Share Posted September 7, 2011 So ... I attended the Labour Day Parade here in Toronto to support my (former) brothers in Carpenters Local 27, and my new best pals in Ironworkers Local 721, and it was pretty disconcerting to run into so many citizens who had no idea why there was a parade at all. It really is the same reason why electoral reform never happens in this country - because the voters are normally extremely apathetic. The lack of giving a shit is what is wrong with this great country. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Zelgrath Posted September 7, 2011 Share Posted September 7, 2011 Harper plans to bring back some anti terrorism laws that expired in 07, http://www.cbc.ca/news/canada/story/2011/09/06/harper-911-terrorism-islamic-interview.html?cmp=rss There were two clauses at the heart of the debate: One allowed police to arrest suspects without a warrant and detain them for three days without charges if police believed a terrorist act may have been committed.The other allowed a judge to compel a witness to testify in secret about past associations or perhaps pending acts under penalty of going to jail if the witness didn't comply. Neither clause was used by police or prosecutors in the five years before they expired. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Shryke Posted September 7, 2011 Share Posted September 7, 2011 So ... I attended the Labour Day Parade here in Toronto to support my (former) brothers in Carpenters Local 27, and my new best pals in Ironworkers Local 721, and it was pretty disconcerting to run into so many citizens who had no idea why there was a parade at all. It really is the same reason why electoral reform never happens in this country - because the voters are normally extremely apathetic. The lack of giving a shit is what is wrong with this great country. The apathy also helps the country to some extent, but it's goddamn infuriating. Harper plans to bring back some anti terrorism laws that expired in 07, http://www.cbc.ca/ne...ew.html?cmp=rss Harper beating the Law&Order Drum? I'm shocked! Shocked I tell you! God, the crime bill is gonna sail through parliament this fall and be such bullshit. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Shryke Posted September 7, 2011 Share Posted September 7, 2011 http://news.ca.msn.com/canada/harper-says-islamicism-biggest-threat-to-canadaIn an exclusive interview with CBC News, Prime Minister Stephen Harper says the biggest security threat to Canada a decade after 9/11 is Islamic terrorism./facepalm Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Sis Who Swears Posted September 8, 2011 Share Posted September 8, 2011 http://news.ca.msn.c...hreat-to-canada /facepalm Gotta wonder what the hell he is thinking. Could he be any more inflammatory? Actually he probably could, can't wait to watch the fall out from this one. Also am I the only one that thinks that the 10th anniversary of Sept 11 is an awfully conveeeenient time to be bringing this up again? <_< Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Jaxtile Posted September 8, 2011 Share Posted September 8, 2011 Wtf? Islamic terrorism? How about the American, Russian,Chinese, and fucking Danish boats sailing round our arctic like they own it? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
TrueMetis Posted September 8, 2011 Share Posted September 8, 2011 http://news.ca.msn.c...hreat-to-canada /facepalm So in other words we are incredibly safe. Wtf? Islamic terrorism? How about the American, Russian,Chinese, and fucking Danish boats sailing round our arctic like they own it? We still got to wait until we have the boats to deal with that. Which reminds me when are we getting those things? I know a lot of the Navies ships are being refitted (Is that the right word?) which will be a couple decade long project but aren't we supposed to be getting two or three ice breakers to? Those will be really important to getting control of the NWP. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Salome the Persian Witch Posted September 8, 2011 Share Posted September 8, 2011 Islamic terrorism is highest threat to Canada. Really? Really?!?! Sigh. Although he was born and raised in Toronto - I hang my head in shame that this man was voted in in Alberta. (He used to be a Liberal until the National Energy program. Yeah, we're still bitter - and now I have another reason). On another note - is anyone surprised? <_< Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Noroldis Posted September 8, 2011 Share Posted September 8, 2011 On another note - is anyone surprised? <_< Not me. The biggest threat to Canada isn't "Islamic terrorism," it's Prime Minister Stephen Harper and his party of puppets, who like their string-puller are corrupt liars. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Noroldis Posted September 8, 2011 Share Posted September 8, 2011 At the bottom of http://www.theglobeandmail.com/news/politics/flaherty-weighs-reducing-tariffs-in-response-to-us-price-gap/article2158012/]this Globe and Mail article: Mr. Flaherty also told reporters that he isn’t sure Ottawa will be able to meet its campaign promise of reaching a deal by no later than Sept. 15 to give Quebec $2.2-billion in exchange for harmonizing federal and provincial sales taxes. I am shocked, shocked that the Harper government is setting the table for abandoning a promise made to Quebec... okay, no, I'm not shocked at all. Typical Harper move ever since he won his majority. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Jaxtile Posted September 8, 2011 Share Posted September 8, 2011 On CPac Jean chretien is answering questions from the American bar association. It's fucking awesome. He's speaking so candidly about shit."the americans, they try to persuade me about Iraq. Abd I tell them they wrong. They not happy about it" *laughter* Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Tempra Posted September 8, 2011 Share Posted September 8, 2011 We still got to wait until we have the boats to deal with that. Which reminds me when are we getting those things? I know a lot of the Navies ships are being refitted (Is that the right word?) which will be a couple decade long project but aren't we supposed to be getting two or three ice breakers to? Those will be really important to getting control of the NWP.How are you going to deal with foreign boats sailing in "your" Arctic? Are you going to open fire on a Russian flagged boat? Will you barricade sea routes? Sue offending parties in international tribunals?It seems like talk of protecting the Arctic is nothing more than cheap political rhetoric. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Jaxtile Posted September 8, 2011 Share Posted September 8, 2011 So you would have us sit quietly in the corner while the big boys play in our pool? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
TrueMetis Posted September 8, 2011 Share Posted September 8, 2011 How are you going to deal with foreign boats sailing in "your" Arctic? Are you going to open fire on a Russian flagged boat? Will you barricade sea routes? Sue offending parties in international tribunals? It seems like talk of protecting the Arctic is nothing more than cheap political rhetoric. How does the US control waters in their territory? And those waters are in our territory the US can fuck off on this one. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Jaxtile Posted September 8, 2011 Share Posted September 8, 2011 Whoops DP Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Tempra Posted September 9, 2011 Share Posted September 9, 2011 How does the US control waters in their territory? And those waters are in our territory the US can fuck off on this one. Well, the US does not have China sailing up the Hudson River, now do we? Anyways, the situation is quite a bit different, don't you think? None of the major players accept your claim to sovereignty over the Arctic. As such, they feel free to "violate" your Sovereignty by sailing through the Arctic. Until Canada does something to prevent these voyages, you're sleeping on your rights and bolstering the opposing view that the Arctic does not belong to Canada. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Jaxtile Posted September 9, 2011 Share Posted September 9, 2011 So you are advocating a) we cede the arctic to the biggest dick floating or B) build a bigger dick and cum on everything that enters our turf?Why not c) honour the fucking law.Look at any map. See that mass of islands next to Greenland? That's Canada. 200 nautical miles around? Our water, gtfo or ask permission.The continental shelf issue is more nuanced, yeah. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Ser Reptitious Posted September 9, 2011 Author Share Posted September 9, 2011 Tempra, Well, the US does not have China sailing up the Hudson River, now do we? Anyways, the situation is quite a bit different, don't you think? None of the major players accept your claim to sovereignty over the Arctic. As such, they feel free to "violate" your Sovereignty by sailing through the Arctic. Until Canada does something to prevent these voyages, you're sleeping on your rights and bolstering the opposing view that the Arctic does not belong to Canada. Trying to stir the pot in the Canadian thread, eh? :box: Actually, I tend to agree with the gist of your last paragraph. Canada does need to do something if it wants to protect its sovereignty in the Arctic. Naturally, those things wouldn't involve firing on foreign ships (unless maybe they're suspected smugglers). But having a strong military presence, and not being afraid to intercept (and potentially even board) ships that navigate those waters, would certainly help in bolstering our claim. But what's the worst case scenario (from Canada's perspective) anyway? That the Northwest Passage is declared international waters? Personally, I could live with that. It's not like you guys (AFAIK) intend to seize any of our land for yourself. After all, I'm sure the U.S. learned its lesson about the consequences of trying to seize Canadian territory in the War of 1812!* *Mind you, this time around you guys might not mind surrendering Detroit! :P Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Tempra Posted September 9, 2011 Share Posted September 9, 2011 So you are advocating a) we cede the arctic to the biggest dick floating or B) build a bigger dick and cum on everything that enters our turf?Why not c) honour the fucking law.Look at any map. See that mass of islands next to Greenland? That's Canada. 200 nautical miles around? Our water, gtfo or ask permission.The continental shelf issue is more nuanced, yeah.There is a treaty between our two countries requiring that we ask permission. The catch is, you cannot say no. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Tempra Posted September 9, 2011 Share Posted September 9, 2011 Tempra, Trying to stir the pot in the Canadian thread, eh? :box: Genuinely curious why Canada makes a big deal about this, but does nothing to prevent it. I know you guys aren't going to attack any of us, so the rhetoric from Ottawa seems like little more than a hollow campaign promise to gather votes. Actually, I tend to agree with the gist of your last paragraph. Canada does need to do something if it wants to protect its sovereignty in the Arctic. Naturally, those things wouldn't involve firing on foreign ships (unless maybe they're suspected smugglers). But having a strong military presence, and not being afraid to intercept (and potentially even board) ships that navigate those waters, would certainly help in bolstering our claim. But what's the worst case scenario (from Canada's perspective) anyway? That the Northwest Passage is declared international waters? Personally, I could live with that. It's not like you guys (AFAIK) intend to seize any of our land for yourself. After all, I'm sure the U.S. learned its lesson about the consequences of trying to seize Canadian territory in the War of 1812!* *Mind you, this time around you guys might not mind surrendering Detroit! :P You are right that there is no harm in pressing the claim. Russia practically claims everything up to the North Pole as its own. I don't imagine much will change between our countries vis a vis the arctic. We don't care to "own" the arctic, but access through the passage serves our geopolitical interests, particularly since more countries are looking to use the passage.Anyways, the issue of Arctic Sovereignty always seems to pop up, but nothing ever changes. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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