Ser Ilyn's Tongue Posted January 29, 2012 Share Posted January 29, 2012 but then it wouldn't be green, blue and black... shouldn't instead of blue say cream or gold?But could cream look blue through water? Then it could be the dragons. Or is that stretching it a bit?!The Battle of Blackwater does fit better i guess. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
redriver Posted January 29, 2012 Share Posted January 29, 2012 Smoke rising in bubbles.....might just refer to volcanic activity brewing somewhere under the sea. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Sand Snake No. 9 Posted January 29, 2012 Share Posted January 29, 2012 Smoke rising in bubbles.....might just refer to volcanic activity brewing somewhere under the sea.Soundslike underwater volcanic activity to me, too -- perhaps a reference to Valeria, or whatevertheheck is happening at Hardhome? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
The Mother of The Others Posted January 29, 2012 Share Posted January 29, 2012 Bubbles from dragon breath. As it's wrestling a kraken under the waves and losing. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Bill Brasky Posted January 30, 2012 Share Posted January 30, 2012 Well now I want "Smoke rising in bubbles" to refer to Valeria. Reading Dragons really peaked my interest. I know Valeria will play a role and Euron will probably be involved. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
assjfjgjsgjljljglgjfjsduar Posted January 30, 2012 Share Posted January 30, 2012 Whatever happened at Hardhome originally baffles (and scares) the hell out of me. On the one hand, it reads like an apocalyptic event — smoke and fires so bright they could be seen from the Wall. On the other hand, it seems like the result of someone or something actively doing something — people slaughtered for meat and sold into slavery. Combination of both? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Nev yn Posted January 30, 2012 Share Posted January 30, 2012 I'm sure GRRM wants to foster ambiguity but he has certainly designed the different religious beliefs very carefully so they echo each other with directly overlapping.The funny part is that you're ignoring that of course they think their God is the good one, and the Other god is the bad one. If the Storm Lord still had followers, they'd insist that the Drowned God is evil and theirs is merely doing what needs to be done. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
redriver Posted January 30, 2012 Share Posted January 30, 2012 Whatever happened at Hardhome originally baffles (and scares) the hell out of me. On the one hand, it reads like an apocalyptic event — smoke and fires so bright they could be seen from the Wall. On the other hand, it seems like the result of someone or something actively doing something — people slaughtered for meat and sold into slavery. Combination of both?It sounds like a Valyrian attack.This was 300 years before AL,whereas the Doom was 100 years before AL,unless I've got it all wrong.Both places are now said to be haunted by demons,ghouls etc.Maybe Dragons involved,maybe just pyromancy.Maybe they kicked off some already latent volcanic stuff. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
The Sleeper Posted January 31, 2012 Share Posted January 31, 2012 Birds with scale for feathers kind of sounds like dragons, doesn't it? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Mist Isle Posted January 31, 2012 Share Posted January 31, 2012 I wonder what would happen if Aeron Greyjoy/The Damphair were to encounter Patchface (and learn about the shipwreck he survived). Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Lady Octarina Posted January 31, 2012 Share Posted January 31, 2012 Likewise there are multiple interpretations so far of [The Flames] “Under the sea, smoke rises in bubbles, and flames burn green and blue and black,” Patchface sang somewhere. “I know, I know, oh, oh, oh.”It has been suggested that the smoke and fire represent Dany's dragons, but has also been pointed out that while she has a black and a green dragon, the third is cream and gold, not blue.Alternatively, this could be referencing Moqorro, whoch certainly was under the sea and is called the "black flame", but then what about the green and blue flames?I like the idea the "smoke rises in bubbles" might refer to Valyria or Hardhome, and that dragons might have something to do with it. Could dragons come out of a volcano? About the flames, well... IF Viserion died (and he does seem to be the weakest in the trio) and a sea dragon or an ice dragon really appeared, couldn't it be blue ou blue-ish? It could actually be the indication we need that another dragon will appear. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Qhorin Halfhand and Yoren Posted January 31, 2012 Share Posted January 31, 2012 I think it reffers to the (underwater IMO) volcanic erruption and subsequent tsunami that drowned people in Valyria. IIRC a Victarion chapter says something akin to that.Green and blue and black are the colors of the Drowned God according to an above post.Or it might refer to the ironmen going in that teritory. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
master Posted January 31, 2012 Share Posted January 31, 2012 my personal opinion is that he is a priest of whatever force represents the drowned god, but his mind wasn't strong enough to withstand the inntitiation rights, just like damphairs mind wasn't able to undertstand the prophecies the magic of he ocaen was telling him. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Aegon I Posted January 31, 2012 Share Posted January 31, 2012 maybe some of the prophicies haven't happened yef Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Sound_of_winter Posted January 31, 2012 Share Posted January 31, 2012 Sorry if this is out of context, but what exactly happened to Valarya? Was it just a volcanic eruption? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Ygrain Posted January 31, 2012 Share Posted January 31, 2012 I believe this is much _in_ the context. The Doom of Valyria is never specified, only that it shattered and sunk a part of the continent and created the Smoking Sea, which is said to be haunted and no-one wants to sail there. - Sort of Bermuda triangle, I guess. Anyway, if we want an area of undersea volcanic activity, here it goes.Wasn't there also a prophecy about an undersea palace? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
CloudFlare Posted January 31, 2012 Share Posted January 31, 2012 es] “Under the sea, smoke rises in bubbles, and flames burn green and blue and black,” Patchface sang somewhere. “I know, I know, oh, oh, oh.”I'd take this prophecy to be the alliance between Moquorro and Victarion. I think the first part of the prophecy is hinting that they'll explore the ruins of Valyria somehow. I think the sea around the ruins is described as bubbling and smoking. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
redriver Posted January 31, 2012 Share Posted January 31, 2012 Sorry if this is out of context, but what exactly happened to Valarya? Was it just a volcanic eruption?We know of volcanic eruptions and 300 foot waves,shattering much of the land and creating the smoking sea.The theory part is that the Valyrians contributed to their own doom with fire magic etc. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Ygrain Posted January 31, 2012 Share Posted January 31, 2012 We know of volcanic eruptions and 300 foot waves,shattering much of the land and creating the smoking sea.The theory part is that the Valyrians contributed to their own doom with fire magic etc.Can you provide the quotation? The information on the wiki page then has to be completed. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Eejit Posted January 31, 2012 Share Posted January 31, 2012 Patchface’s HistoryWhen their ship sank just off the coast of Storm's End, only Patchface survived, washing ashore several days later. He is currently in the employ of Stannis Baratheon as a jester and companion of his daughter. Much like Davos' miraculous survival when he was washed out to sea after the Blackwater. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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