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  1. You probably did, along with everyone else in the forums.
  2. If you'd posted that, say, maybe 2015 or 16, the end of the show might have looked a lot like that.
  3. More likely legend than anything else, but I do think it points to an extensive cave network and a route for Bran to return. It could also be a refference to Martin's short strory "In the House of the Worm".
  4. Well, legitimacy obviously does matter otherwise Varys would not have been trying to pass him off/establish him as Rhaeghar's heir. He is ultimately Varys's proof of concept of power being a shadow on the wall, that legitimacy can be constructed. Narratively it would be better if he were false, but it would be beside the point in how it would play out. In terms of how Martin was aiming to present him, I think you have it backwards. After all he is supposed to be a character who we have been told has died years ago and has already established the concept of impostors with Jeyne Poole. He still plants little hints that would make us think, that he just might be the real deal. The depiction of him as the mummer's dragon is demonstrably true as he is Varys's creation, regardless of whethe rhe is Rhaegar's son or not. Granted it makes no sense for the Undying to be giving Dany visions while eating her, but that does change the fact that some of them have already come to pass. Melisandre demonstrates why the characters or we as readers shouldn't trust visions, but it is not because they are false. Lastly, the wedge between Dany and Aegon is inherent and stems from the fact that they have confllicting claims and that Varys and Illyrio meant for Dany at best to be a prop for Aegon. Tyrion drove that home by planting the idea in Aegon to go west. The prophecy is way down in the list of things that set them apart.
  5. One would need to qualify the difference between warnings and prophecy. For instance Thoros foresaw the siege of Riverrun and as the result the BwB chose not to go there. It is the case that whatever scrying Mel does, does not confine itself to depiction of events past, present or future. An example from Jojen would be the chained winged wolf which could be described as a situation. However, both Mel and Jojen (Bran, the Undying, Thoros, the Ghost of Hight Heart, Maggy the Frog, etc) have had visions of future events that came to pass. After all Mel did see Stannis' defeat at King's Landing. Jojen in particular is batting a thousand, seeing specifics of people who would come to die. The flaying of the faces is the detail clinches it in that particular vision, as Ramsay actually flayed the faces of the Miller Boys in order to pass them as Bran and Rickon, which the dream can also be said to depict. Why do you think someone sent it? What would they hope to achieve? It was also Jojen's vision. Lacking context it was first misunderstood. Ironicalle later Maester Lewyn speculated that it does depict Winterfell falling to Theon, but still he wouldn't act without more information, nor was there much to be done at that time. If it could have been prevented by Jojen seeing it wouldn't have happened and therefore coud not have been seen. The qualifying difference is Jojen and Meera's presence in the first place, which facilitated Bran's escape and survival and led him to BR. The issue of assuming a sender and an agenda ultimately merely transposes the source. We still have valid visions of future events regardless of who originally had them. That is pretty much canon in my view. Her own POV where we see her practice of deliberately exaggerating her powers to gain influence and manipulate people further reinforces this point. What is interesting in this case is that this episode kicked off the series of events involving Edric Storm's evacuation to Lys, Davos's imprisonment and perhaps his elevation to Stannis's Hand. I think it would be more accurate to say rather than Mel being able to change the future she can't undo the things she has seen. And due to her belief that they can and her attitude of directly trying to shape the future based on her visions, she is alternately trapped and blindsided.
  6. No, the swords have no connection. The enmity between Starks and Lannisters is not historical, but stems from Ned's mistrust of Tywin. The reason Brightroar is lost is so Tywin has a reason to steal and melt Ice.
  7. Their real words are pretty cool though.
  8. Why he is the worst leader than Maegor, Aegon the Unworthy and Aerys combined? Because he is the conceited puppet of a pair of gangsters, a bitter old lepper with grudges, exiled criminals, an army of Bronns and to follow religious fanatics, Sand Snakes and every opportunist with an axe to grind in the seven kingdoms. Westeros will welcome the Others as a sweet release before he is done.
  9. The idea of trying to apply actual genetics is kind of iffy, particularly after the Baratheon supergene. Nor do they make much sense for Dany herself as she is eight generations apart from the last dragonriders in her with four non-Targaryen marriages in between. She is not that closely related to them. The issue is with the Dance and the dragonseeds. It is strongly impied that in world they used the outcome to deduce the cause, meaning that they considered someone to have Targaryen ancestry because they were succesful in claiming a dragon without establishing an actual corelation independantly. It seems based on unproven assumption. This allows for an entirely different set of interpretations where a hereditary trait plays no part. We can't know one way or another with what Martin has written so far. We lack a reliable control sample. Among other things, yes. I don't see why that would be a problem in the context of a novel.
  10. I suppose that is plausible, but it would need work. For instance what would they hope to accomplish and how did they know that Jon would be a. Lord Commander and b. would let them. Also the wildlings died in droves after the battle because they left disorganised and without supplies. Val had transportation, adequate clothing and provisions. She obviously knew what she was doing tracking several thousand people who would have many fires lit day and night should be well within the realm of possibility. On top of that the wights appear to wander about in large bands and might not be willing to go out of their way for a single individual. One thing that is consistent with the Others having special hatred for the Night's Watch is the way they all fell on Waymar Royce once he was down.
  11. It is not a case study, it is a novel, but not only is that particular point iterated by numerous characters on various occasions, it is engrained in the social pracitises of the society in the way they are meant to celebrate and perpetuate power. Which is a thing IRL. Examples range from Varys little moto about shadows on the wall, to Dany's bunny ears, to the way they are seated at tables etc. it is practically ubiquitus. There is a injustice, poverty, sexism, oppression, endemic and rampant corruption at the highest levels of government and that is actually when there is peace. That society falls quite easily into a state of war, which many of them don't actually think it is morallly wrong. The Valyrians enslaved a continent, conducted genocides and peformed human experiments. If some people don't get those things, no explicit denouncement will help. I don't believe this applies only to Valyrians, though they do take it up a notch. Westeros itself is founded on the belief that a minority of people have the right to rule over other people basically because their ancestors could swing an axe better than the next guy, or was charismatic or had magic. Still the parallels between Valyrians and racist ideology apply due to the incest and the genetic experiments and the whole "exceptionalism" angle taken up by the Targaryen's latter on. It is also evident that they grew powerful enough to become completely amoral as a society. So I don't think it out of context in this story that they genetically engineered their weapons of mass destruction to respond to them and their kin in some way and that they fucked with their own DNA in the process. Did they though? I think Varamyr is good case in the sense of his power allowed him to become completely corrupt but also in the sense that his offspring did not inherit it. On the other hand, there are many Targaryens who seem to experience prophetic dreams and we also have a hudred percent Stark skinchangers in a single generation with a greenseer to boot among them. Talent for magic is not that big a deal in itself as many characters have it and it is said that it was more widespread in the past. Being transmited across the generations though probably is not a natural process. I think a good analogy would be to see the Valyrians as a society of Varamyrs who managed to pass on their abilities, through whatever means. I also think there are hints that many houses in Westeros were lineages of sorcerers who tried and had success in the same thing on a smaller scale. I am almost certain about the Starks, Dustins, Boltons, Reeds, Blackwoods, Hightowers as well as the Gardeners and most houses in the Reach for that matter. As for actual dragon riding it is true that Martin has left it open enough to go either way. Everything about it can be explained by myth, social practice and the dragons' own instics. After all when one examines facts with a foregone conclusion in mind, one can explain away anything. @Lord Varys The majority of what you wrote is your own speculation and I am not really interested in debating the logic and validity of your headcanon. It is plausible that being a dragonlord was socially enforced; that would render though a hereditary trait largely moot.
  12. They have technology, language and social behavior. First guess is that they are an intelligent species so they are not inherently or collectively anything but individuals who make choices. Nothing we have seen from them so far falls outside the boundaries of normal human behaviour, which is an admittedly low bar. The two wigths that Jon killed and the way Thistle is described suggests that they do have some form of awareness. Beric, Stoneheart and most relevant in this case Coldhands clearly have intellect and awareness, though I don't think it is intact. Being made mute, which is the main difference between the ice wights and the rest, is a parallel with Euron's crew. This would indicate some extreme form of servitude. It is also however a parallel with the Silent Sisters and the brothers of the quite isle, so I wonder if they are in some sense subverted to carry out the will of the Others. Beric and Lady Stoneheart are consumed (pun intended) by the circumstances of their deaths. Coldhands seems apathetic and indifferent but still has a purpose. The ice wights could be made to share the purpose and mindset of the Others. Something else that occured to me is this: the Others seemed content to harry the Wildlings into vacating the lands beyond the Wall and picking off the straglers. They seemed to want to exterminate the Watch all together. This could be a tactical decision in that they didn't have the numbers to do pitched combat with 30000 wildlings as opposed to 300 members of the Watch, but then Tormund's band was much smaller. It seems that they could a lot more damage to it if they put an effort to it.
  13. Joffrey's rationalization does not need to make sense to sane person. He is young budding sociopath. The real reason was that he was annoyed by the whole situtation. Robert's little speach serves as a rationalization. This is pretty much confirmed. Move on
  14. In the greater political plot it doesn't make any difference and in many ways I would prefer if we never knew for sure. Martin seems committed in revealing it to us by including him in HotU prophecy not only naming him the mummer's dragon, but placing him under the heading "slayer of lies". His true identity also seems necessary to place context on Varys's and Illyrio's motivations.
  15. LF never gave a crap about Winterfell. It is his carrot to Sansa to get her to play along with his schemes. He is bribing her with what he thinks she wants, a castle a court and a handsome prince. It might also be of use to gain favor in the Vale, a way send some idiots who oppose him away to die and a chip to bargain with other external forces.
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