assjfjgjsgjljljglgjfjsduar Posted May 4, 2012 Share Posted May 4, 2012 The crown was in the Frey camp on "The Queen of Whores" I think, I coud be wrong though. I agree with Apple Martini though. The Blackfish owing nothing to Queen Jeyne's mother, only to Queen Jeyne herself, probably told her after Edmure advised of surrender, we have to get you out of here now, can you trust anyone? Jeyne and her sister are probably close and she was the only person she could think of and there you are. Well said Apple.That was Robb's crown. And that was in the camp before Riverrun fell, so it wouldn't have been Jeyne's. Sybell tells Jaime that "Jeyne" put up a fight when they tried to take her crown, but we never see this crown. Wouldn't the proper course have been for Sybell or "Jeyne" to present it to Jaime in surrender? Like how Torrhen gave up the Crown of Winter to Aegon I?Two things sealed it for me. One was the Wolf banner which flew on the highest spire of the castle. Martin takes pains to point that out. It's more prominently displayed than the Tully banner. That says something. The next day, when the Blackfish (and Jeyne) are gone the banner is gone too. We never see it lowered. It symbolizes that the wolf queen fled.I hadn't even considered this before, but if you think about its implications, it could be huge.You sort of have to know how standards work in terms of royal residency. Take the Queen of England. When she's in residence somewhere — Buckingham, Windsor, Balmoral, wherever — the flag flying is her royal standard. When she's not in residence, the British flag flies. That's how you know if she's "home" — you look to see which flag is flying.If the Stark sigil works in the same way, lowering it before the enemy (the Lannisters and Freys outside) enters Riverrun could be a way, as you suggest, to subtly show that Jeyne (and her possible child) is gone. The fact that the Stark sigil is flying at all, even if it has no significance in terms of residency, is big, too. Granted the ins and outs of Robb's will have yet to be seen fully, but at that time, Robb was dead, Bran and Rickon were thought to be dead, Arya's missing and presumed dead, and Sansa is Lady Lannister and all but cut out. So who, pray tell, are they flying the flag for? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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