Black Wolf Smith Posted July 14, 2012 Share Posted July 14, 2012 I am not gonna quote myself. That is wrong.I didn't like the way the last part read. I think it will be hard finding out what Dragonsteel is. I think knowing where to get some will be easy, once they know what it is. Not that getting it will be easy. I mean if not Throne of Swords, then the bars of Queenscrown, somewhere there will be a large amount of it. It would have been used for something eles. which is why I think that its the Throne. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Lady Tippy Wolfsbane Posted July 14, 2012 Share Posted July 14, 2012 I just want to add that a common mistake made by many people when discussing dragons and dragon related materials is associating them only with the Targaryrens. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Grimwolfe Posted July 14, 2012 Share Posted July 14, 2012 the last hero used dragonsteelazhor azhai used lightbringer(Dawn may be lightbringer)draw your own conclusions Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Lady Tippy Wolfsbane Posted July 14, 2012 Share Posted July 14, 2012 The Last Hero and Azor Ahai seem to me to be legendary figures based on the same hero that battled the Long Night. The differences in their stories can be attributed to the different regions in which they are told. Each story seems to fit the culture and religion of were it originated. (Dawn may not be Lightbringer)So that takes us down a different path... Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
CoolGirlsMurderFriend Posted July 14, 2012 Share Posted July 14, 2012 Dragonbone being used in bows and needles tells us two very important things about its properties.1) It bends easily2) It is easily shaped and since they're immune to fire, it had to be done with a blade.Those are two things you definitely DON'T want a sword made out of. If steel can shape it, steel can cut it in half. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Ghost714 Posted July 14, 2012 Share Posted July 14, 2012 Dragonbone being used in bows and needles tells us two very important things about its properties.1) It bends easily2) It is easily shaped and since they're immune to fire, it had to be done with a blade.Those are two things you definitely DON'T want a sword made out of. If steel can shape it, steel can cut it in half.I agree with everything your saying, besides them having to use steel to shape the bone.They could have shaped it using rock grinders. Start out using a rougher rock, that spins, and you work your way down to smoother ones until you get the shape you want.Also, just because it was used for bows, that does not neccisarily mean it bends "easily", I think it would just mean that it bends before it would break. Dragonbone bows are said to outdistance all other bows, so that would mean they are pretty hard to bend. So I am guessing that if the bone was thick enough, it would be very hard to bend. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
CoolGirlsMurderFriend Posted July 14, 2012 Share Posted July 14, 2012 I agree with everything your saying, besides them having to use steel to shape the bone.They could have shaped it using rock grinders. Start out using a rougher rock, that spins, and you work your way down to smoother ones until you get the shape you want.I suppose so, I wasn't thinking about them having grinders :D Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
rmholt Posted July 14, 2012 Share Posted July 14, 2012 the last hero used dragonsteelazhor azhai used lightbringer(Dawn may be lightbringer)draw your own conclusionsElio (?) has a video up on Dawn which makes me think dragonsteel is steel made from meteorite iron. It was pale, it could cut through armor, it was ancient, yada yada. Also: meteorites are pretty darn hot = dragon-y Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Ghost714 Posted July 14, 2012 Share Posted July 14, 2012 Elio (?) has a video up on Dawn which makes me think dragonsteel is steel made from meteorite iron. It was pale, it could cut through armor, it was ancient, yada yada. Also: meteorites are pretty darn hot = dragon-yBeing "pale" is not the same thing as creating its own light and heat, light that resembled fire mind you, not "milkglass". Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Lady Tippy Wolfsbane Posted July 14, 2012 Share Posted July 14, 2012 I don't agree, but...The defense for Dawn being pale as 'milkglass', and still being Lightbringer is that a light-bulb looks the same way before you 'flip the switch'. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Sevumar Posted July 14, 2012 Share Posted July 14, 2012 Dragonbone being used in bows and needles tells us two very important things about its properties.1) It bends easilyThose are two things you definitely DON'T want a sword made out of. If steel can shape it, steel can cut it in half.It bends more easily than some materials. but bows have to be quite stiff if they're going to be effective as weapons. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Lady Storm Posted July 14, 2012 Share Posted July 14, 2012 Assuming that this whole thing has something to do with RL and that fighting others has to do with low temperatures:Obsidian was called dragonglass. Now why would you do it? How do you conclude that obsidian has something to do with dragons? The answer could be heat. Obsidian is produced when a extremely hot material cools down fast.But why is it special? Because it can be a extremely sharp weapon, sharper than steel and is still sometimes used as a surgical tool.Now, what could dragonsteel be? I'm guessing something similar to steel, combined with heat and somehow, improved usage. Meteorites are hot. And some meteorites are nickel-iron in their structure, making them similar to steel, but with a better ductility. This works better when exposed to extremely low temperatures: steel and it's quality drop significantly under -130°C, but copper, nickel and aluminium keep it's quality. So unlike braking when faced with the others, these weapons should behave the same way as in normal conditions.tl:dr - I'm with the meteorite theory :DEdit: Also, assuming I'm not really misreading and failing to remember stuff a lot :D Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
CoolGirlsMurderFriend Posted July 14, 2012 Share Posted July 14, 2012 They aren't stiff enough to be used in combat as a blunt or slashing weapon lol.I could see them using one as a spiked mace maybe or a dagger even, but not a staff or sword Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Gar Weg Wun Sygerrik Posted July 14, 2012 Share Posted July 14, 2012 Assuming that this whole thing has something to do with RL and that fighting others has to do with low temperatures:Obsidian was called dragonglass. Now why would you do it? How do you conclude that obsidian has something to do with dragons? The answer could be heat. Obsidian is produced when a extremely hot material cools down fast.But why is it special? Because it can be a extremely sharp weapon, sharper than steel and is still sometimes used as a surgical tool.Now, what could dragonsteel be? I'm guessing something similar to steel, combined with heat and somehow, improved usage. Meteorites are hot. And some meteorites are nickel-iron in their structure, making them similar to steel, but with a better ductility. This works better when exposed to extremely low temperatures: steel and it's quality drop significantly under -130°C, but copper, nickel and aluminium keep it's quality. So unlike braking when faced with the others, these weapons should behave the same way as in normal conditions.Yet can notch the hell out of a steal sword in a duel as Dawn did to the laughing knight? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Ghost714 Posted July 14, 2012 Share Posted July 14, 2012 I don't agree, but...The defense for Dawn being pale as 'milkglass', and still being Lightbringer is that a light-bulb looks the same way before you 'flip the switch'.That might work if Lightbringer was said to shine with white light, but it doesn't, Lightbringer looked alive with the light of fire. A "milkglass lightbulb" would not shine like fire when it's "turned on". Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Ghost714 Posted July 14, 2012 Share Posted July 14, 2012 Yet can notch the hell out of a steal sword in a duel as Dawn did to the laughing knight?Huh? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Lady Storm Posted July 14, 2012 Share Posted July 14, 2012 Yet can notch the hell out of a steal sword in a duel as Dawn did to the laughing knight?Again, a warning: It's been a while since I've had my last physics (or chemistry, for that matter) class:Theoretically, It could, depending on the way the combination was handled and how both of the swords were forged. Depending on the amount of carbon, still gets harder and stronger and easier to cast (so I'm guessing that's what you want when making a weapon), but it rusts more easily, it's harder to handle and brakes more often than it bends. Now, I'm not saying that the two weapons are completely different, I don't think they would be calling it "Steel" in the first place if they where. But an increased nickle count could make the weapon better: that's what they do in stainless steel nowadays. And since nickel isn't usually found on earth (it is, but rarely and very deep) but is common for meteorites, that could be the difference. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
rmholt Posted July 15, 2012 Share Posted July 15, 2012 That might work if Lightbringer was said to shine with white light, but it doesn't, Lightbringer looked alive with the light of fire. A "milkglass lightbulb" would not shine like fire when it's "turned on".Calls to mind Jaime's fever dream when the swords he and Brienne wielded "caught fire" Maybe they were dragonsteel. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
fyrfly Posted September 10, 2012 Share Posted September 10, 2012 I haven't really thought about this but everyone knows that the children of the forrest used to gift the NW with hundreds of dragon glass daggers and spears every year so why not swords?? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Tini Posted September 10, 2012 Share Posted September 10, 2012 The children gave the Night's Watch useful things they used themselves. I don't think they used swords, so why would they give swords to the NW? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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