Again With the Small Questions

[Saint Arya]

@datepalm

I read the topic with a Zoidberg voice in my head :D

[angry lettuce]

where does it say that Kings blood is needed to hatch dragons?

I recall something about a king dying and then his son in succession, so that both die kings or something...?

It is in jon's first chapter in ADWD :"Two kings to wake the dragon. The father first and then the son, so both die kings. The words had been murmured by one of the queen's men" and a couple of lines after : "There is power in king's blood, the old maester had warned"

Edit: It doesnt really say that king's blood is needed to hatch dragons.

[eRome]

Are there really Old Gods, or were the Children of the Forest just fucking with the First Men through the trees? (Somebody asked me this and I thought it was hilarious...)

[HonourableSerLittlefinger]

Is Xaro Xhoan Daxos gay? Because in aCoK, when he tells Dany he loves her and wil make sons with her, Dany doesn't believe him because "she had seen the beautiful boys he kept around him" or something. But in the TV show, it has the bit with him and Doreah in bed. What is with him?

[Black Wolf Smith]

Are there really Old Gods, or were the Children of the Forest just fucking with the First Men through the trees? (Somebody asked me this and I thought it was hilarious...)

It is debatable. What Leaf tells Bran, means they aren't really Gods. The are real is the aspect that they are beyond the living, I guess you could say that they are ghost of Greenseers.

[Scarlet Seastar]

Is Xaro Xhoan Daxos gay? Because in aCoK, when he tells Dany he loves her and wil make sons with her, Dany doesn't believe him because "she had seen the beautiful boys he kept around him" or something. But in the TV show, it has the bit with him and Doreah in bed. What is with him?

They changed him a bit in the show, but in the books, yeah, he's definitely gay. :D

[Silent Sparrow]

They changed him a bit in the show, but in the books, yeah, he's definitely gay. :D

How did I never pick up on that in the books? I've read ACOK something in the ballpark of five times. Shame on me, shame on me.

[Scarlet Seastar]

How did I never pick up on that in the books? I've read ACOK something in the ballpark of five times. Shame on me, shame on me.

Well, Dany says it quite clearly in a CoK. Also, she mentions it again in Dance. When Xharo comes to visit her in Meereen, he brought erotic dancers-slaves when he proposed to her again, and she refused him and noted that he'd been looking at the boys, rather than the girls.

It's easy to miss. While I was reading the books, I had already been spoiled more than enough about the events, so I was able to pay more attention to the details. Though, of course, some things tend to slip by me as well.

Case in point: When Jon Arryn died, King Bob told Ned that he wanted to make Jaime Lannister Warden of the East. Now, I thought that being a member of the KG meant that a member would hold no lands, titles, father no children(like the NW). How can Jaime be made Warden of anything?

[Silent Sparrow]

Case in point: When Jon Arryn died, King Bob told Ned that he wanted to make Jaime Lannister Warden of the East. Now, I thought that being a member of the KG meant that a member would hold no lands, titles, father no children(like the NW). How can Jaime be made Warden of anything?

:agree:

Robert himself probably didn't even think of that. It seems like the kind of thing he'd overlook while angry at Ned.

And thank you for explaining that. I had totally missed that, probably because I was so annoyed with him as a character.

[MyLittleDirewolf]

Is Maggy - the witch that gave Cersei the prophesy - Jeyne Westerling's maternal grandmother? It mentions that on the Spicer side, the grandmother was some sort of witch from the East and people would come to her for prophesies.

[Silent Sparrow]

Is Maggy - the witch that gave Cersei the prophesy - Jeyne Westerling's maternal grandmother? It mentions that on the Spicer side, the grandmother was some sort of witch from the East and people would come to her for prophesies.

I assume so. We know that she was called Maggy because people mispronounced Maegi and Jeyne's grandmother on the Spicer side was a maegi. It wouldn't be out of the realm of possibility for there to be two maegi in the same area, though. And the location makes sense because House Spicer and House Westerling are both sworn to the Lannisters and Cersei saw Maggy the Frog in Lannisport.

And, the Wiki says so. So I'm not just crazy.

[kissdbyfire]

Is Maggy - the witch that gave Cersei the prophesy - Jeyne Westerling's maternal grandmother? It mentions that on the Spicer side, the grandmother was some sort of witch from the East and people would come to her for prophesies.

Yes.

[Dragonfish]

Case in point: When Jon Arryn died, King Bob told Ned that he wanted to make Jaime Lannister Warden of the East. Now, I thought that being a member of the KG meant that a member would hold no lands, titles, father no children(like the NW). How can Jaime be made Warden of anything?

The Kingsguard are forbidden from owning land, taking a wife, or fathering children, but I don't recall it being said that they can take no titles. "Warden of the East" is just a military title that comes with no lands, so it's not necessarily inconsistent with Kingsguard vows for Robert to bestow the honor upon Jaime.

What is a bit unusual, however, is Eddard's argument that Jaime should not be made Warden of the East because one day he will inherit the Warden of the West title. This never really made sense to me. Why would Jaime have been deprived of all of his inheritance except for the Warden title? And, if he were to inherit it, what would happen when he died? Presumably they'd give it right back to the head of House Lannister, which simply raises the question of why they wouldn't have done that in the first place instead of giving it to Jaime. That's why this passage has always struck me as a minor inconsistency.

[Scarlet Seastar]

Yes.

I just checked the Wiki page on Jeyne and it doesn't say so. Hmm.

Also I found this:

He had Jeyne returned to her father back at the Crag. To avoid tales that her dead husband had given her a child (and thus an heir), Jeyne was to remain unmarried for two years and was given a strong escort of soldiers with secret instructions to kill her if there would be any attempt to kidnap her.

I don't remember reading anything like that in Feast. Any help?.

The Kingsguard are forbidden from owning land, taking a wife, or fathering children, but I don't recall it being said that they can take no titles. "Warden of the East" is just a military title that comes with no lands, so it's not necessarily inconsistent with Kingsguard vows for Robert to bestow the honor upon Jaime.

What is a bit unusual, however, is Eddard's argument that Jaime should not be made Warden of the East because one day he will inherit the Warden of the West title. This never really made sense to me. Why would Jaime have been deprived of all of his inheritance except for the Warden title? And, if he were to inherit it, what would happen when he died? Presumably they'd give it right back to the head of House Lannister, which simply raises the question of why they wouldn't have done that in the first place instead of giving it to Jaime. That's why this passage has always struck me as a minor inconsistency.

If I remember correctly, Ser Barristan says that he'll have no land, titles and children when he's dismissed from the KG. I think Cercei gave him lands and a lordship, though I'm not so certain.

Also, the title Warden of the West by law(at that moment) was supposed to pass to Tyrion, not Jamie, just like the title Warden of the East was to go to Sweetrobin.

[kissdbyfire]

I just checked the Wiki page on Jeyne and it doesn't say so. Hmm.

Also I found this:

I don't remember reading anything like that in Feast. Any help?

1- The wiki is not canon. As far as I recall, it hasn't been stated that Maggy the Frog is Jeyne's grandmother (or is it great-grandmother?), but all evidence seem to support this.

2 - It's in a Jaime chapter in AFfC.

[rmholt]

How did I never pick up on that in the books? I've read ACOK something in the ballpark of five times. Shame on me, shame on me.

It isnt your fault that those chapters including the xaro parts are a bit of a slog.

Hey, I just picked up on Bittersteel's name after four reads.

[rmholt]

1- The wiki is not canon. As far as I recall, it hasn't been stated that Maggy the Frog is Jeyne's grandmother (or is it great-grandmother?), but all evidence seem to support this.

2 - It's in a Jaime chapter in AFfC.

The maegi part is canon as far as I am concerned. If half of KL went to get her prophecies, i'm buying it's the same person. we already know (SSM) that Tyrion developed from a dwarf in a prior book (Windhaven?) and GRRM likes connections (gravedigger is also canon as far as I am concerned) so connections are not unprecedented. I still want to know how the Winged Chalice got into the Eyrie for Tyrion's trial but that may never be answered. It's a little obscure.

[kissdbyfire]

The maegi part is canon as far as I am concerned. If half of KL went to get her prophecies, i'm buying it's the same person. we already know (SSM) that Tyrion developed from a dwarf in a prior book (Windhaven?) and GRRM likes connections (gravedigger is also canon as far as I am concerned) so connections are not unprecedented. I still want to know how the Winged Chalice got into the Eyrie for Tyrion's trial but that may never be answered. It's a little obscure.

I know what you're saying, and I agree: Maggy the Frog is Jeyne's nan/great-grandmother. I was only saying the wiki isn't canon, and simply stating that it isn't spelled out in the books that she is. :)

[MyLittleDirewolf]

I'm also wondering if Maggy being Jeyne's grandmother has anything to do with the Jeyne that Jaime saw at Riverrrun possibly not being Jeyne (the narrow hips thing), and Jeyne's mother being a schemer. It seemed pretty obvious that Jeyne's mother was in on the plot. I can't really come up with a reason what Maggy would have to do with this, it just seemed odd that Maggy was related to Jeyne. Maybe it was just a "it's a small world" thing.

[timthenchant3r]

When Jaime reflects on Rhaegar's last words to him, Rhaegar says something about wanting to call a counsel and change some things. Dont have the exact text. What was he referring to?